DVD cover for I Am Potential

An important inspirational back to school episode…

Just in time for back to school, join the IC gang and guest victim, Hollis Pierce, as we discuss the film I Am Potential (2015). The movie is based on the true story of Patrick Henry Hughes, exploring the struggles and triumphs of Patrick and his family, particularly his father, who had to adjust his (beer league basketball) expectations and dreams for his son.

Our conversation discusses the film’s portrayal of disability, the performances of the actors, and the film’s context within the broader landscape of disability representation in media. We also discuss the film’s focus on the father’s involvement in a local basketball league, the family’s financial struggles and wrap with a discussion about the film’s depiction of a charity telethon.

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Grading the Film

As always, this film is reviewed with scores recorded in four main categories, with 1 being the best and 5 being the worst. Like the game of golf, the lower the score the better.

How accurate is the representation?

Jeff – 4 / 5

sar – 3 / 5

Hollis – 4.5 / 5

Total – 11.5 / 15

How difficult was it to watch the movie?

sar – 4 / 5

Jeff – 2.5 / 5

Hollis – 4 / 5

Total – 10.5 / 15

How often were things unintentionally funny?

sar – 2 / 5

Jeff – 5 / 5

Hollis – 3.5 / 5

Total – 10.5 / 15

How far back has it put disabled people?

Jeff – 4 / 5

sar – 2 / 5

Hollis – 5 / 5

Total – 10 / 15

The Verdict

A Crime May Have Been Committed

Transcript – Part 1

[Episode begins with the youtube trailer for I Am Potential]

[Theme song: Mvll Crimes – Arguing With Strangers on the Internet]

Jeff:

You are listening to invalid Culture, a podcast dedicated to excavating the strangest and most baffling media representations of disability. This podcast is all about staring into the abyss of pop culture adjacent films that never quite broke through because well, they’re just awful. So buckle up folks. The following content is rated I for invalid. I’m arguing with strangers on the in internet, not going out today

sar:

Because I’m feeling too upset with strangers on the internet and I’m winning

Jeff:

And I’m winning. Welcome back to another thrilling edition of Invalid Culture Back to School Edition. As always, I am your host tired, Dr. Jeff Preston trying to survive the start of turn and I am joined of course by our co victim Sarah Curry. How you doing, Sarah?

sar:

I am doing pretty great. This is the first fall. I’m not going back, so that’s pretty neat. But I have a niece and a nephew starting junior and senior kindergarten and I’ve taken some responsibilities there, so that’s nerve wracking.

Jeff:

How about you? That’s why you look so right now.

sar:

That’s right. That’s right. You

Jeff:

Don’t have to.

sar:

I’m on my third coffee, but don’t worry about it.

Jeff:

Okay. I don’t even know what coffee is anymore. I just inject it as an iv. That’s where I’m at right now. Welcome to September, folks. We are of course not the only people here though because I’m a bad person and I like to torture others. We are joined today by public intellectual wheelchair honky phenom and the host of the 21st Century Disability Podcast, Ottawa own Hols Pierce. How you doing Hols?

Hollis:

Hello, Jeff. Dr. Preston, I apologize.

Jeff:

Oh yeah, no, Jeff is great. I’m good with Jeff.

Hollis:

I know you as Jeff. I know when I am torturing you on the hockey on the court. I know you as Jeff.

Jeff:

Yep, absolutely. Yeah, so tell us…not everyone knows you as well as I do. Yeah, but what should people know about your Hollis?

Hollis:

Well, Jeff, you gave me a very generous introduction there, but as you say, my name’s Hollis Pierce. I am the host of 21st Century Disability. I had my master’s degree at Carleton in history where my thesis was on academic accessibility and yeah, that’s about it. That’s about it.

sar:

Did everyone say you predicted the future afterwards?

Hollis:

Yeah, absolutely.

Jeff:

It’s always great being right in that way, isn’t it? Finally, yeah. Finally,

sar:

Hollis woke up, just went outside and started shouting to no one in particular. I told you all. I told you so.

Hollis:

Exactly.

Jeff:

Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much. While trying not to catch a virus.

sar:

Yeah,

Jeff:

So we had a real special treat put before us. It’s back to school, as I said, so I thought we should do a back to school movie and back to school really is all about the unknown, right? You’re going back into the classroom and all you’re thinking about is about the potential that lays ahead of you. Is this the year you get a’s is this the year that you get a boyfriend or a girlfriend? Is this the year that you don’t vomit on your teacher? All of these potentialities exist, and so I thought we should watch a movie that is full of potential or is it the movie is I Am Potential. Now, what is this movie about? From the box: Patrick Henry Hughes was a talented musician who always wanted to be part of something bigger than himself. He dreamed of one day joining the University of Louisville Marching Band, but there was one problem. Patrick Henry was born without eyes or the ability to walk before he was born. His father, Patrick John had his own goals of athletic glory for Patrick Henry. Now, will he be willing to truly sacrifice for his son to achieve his dreams? I am Potential is the inspiring true story of sacrifice, perseverance, and realize it one’s God given potential.

sar:

I didn’t put it together until you actually read the box because we watched it on Tubby, so we didn’t have a box. Is I am Potential speaking to the dad?

Jeff:

No, the son, the son is the potential. I believe Patrick Henry is the potential Patrick John,

sar:

But Patrick Henry is Patrick Henry the second, right?

Jeff:

No, the dad is Patrick. John, this is going to be a big problem in this episode, so I’m going to say going forward, if we say Patrick, we mean the Disabled Boy, child,

sar:

Teenager, Patrick Junior.

Jeff:

If we say Papa Patrick, we mean the dad.

sar:

Gotcha. I feel like most of the journey was actually the journey of Papa Patrick from Beer League basketball to the potential of helping his son in the, what was it, standup band. It was

Jeff:

A marching band. Marching band.

sar:

Marching band,

Jeff:

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also thought when I first read this, I wondered, well, wait, the dad was a musician. How was that not articulated? And then I realized no, Patrick Henry is in the musician. Of course, despite the fact that the movie does appear to center on the bad, but that is neither here nor there. The other thing I should note before we go any further in this discussion is that this is of course based on a true story. This is real Patrick Henry Hughes, his dad, Patrick John Hughes. All of these people exist or so were told. The Illuminati says that they exist, and this is not the first time that they’ve been in media. They actually had their first media breakthrough on the fifth season of Extreme Makeover Home Edition. You might remember them as the family whose house was not accessible, and so they brought the family on, they renovated the house, made it accessible, and during the episode Patrick got to go and play some music in London, England.

He played Ray Charles, “what’d I say”, because of course, to the cast of the Lion King in London, England. The other shout out, I very rarely would make a shout out to Extreme Makeover, but this episode was quite some time ago, and I want to note that at the end of the episode, the Extreme Makeover team made a tactile model of the home that they renovated so that Patrick Henry was able to feel the exterior of the home to quote, see what the new house looks like, which I thought was actually a pretty interesting accessibility feature in a show that is predicated on seeing the difference, right? It’s all about before or after. So I was like, you know what? Shout out of Stream makeover for being like actually go. We’re going to show you.

sar:

That’s actually pretty neat. That accommodation is a cool accommodation. Instead of move that bus, move that hand around our board,

Jeff:

Move that hand. They not only did move that bus, they also did move that band, the band block, the field that they also renovated to make it well, nothing. They just made it a better field. That’s it. So anyway, the whole episode was really inspiration porny, but I’m going to give them one point for their tactile model. So shout out out to them. What about you, Hollis? How does this description, does this description match what you watched?

Hollis:

Yes, I think it is because I found the whole movie to have potential, but it never really reached its potential,

Jeff:

Not unlike myself,

Hollis:

And I think one of the main reasons, well yes, as you say Jeff, it had a lot of holes in the story, but also the actors that were cast were not very effective. Papa was not good and Patrick was a bit rich also.

sar:

That was the kindest burning down of a film I think I’ve ever heard.

Jeff:

Well, let’s attach some names to it. So who in the world made this film? So I think first and foremost you’ll notice that on the box there’s this shout out to God’s will, which is maybe a bit odd for those of you who watched it because it’s not a particularly religious film, but it is produced by a religious film company. So I think that’s probably where that comes from.

Hollis:

Oh, I didn’t know that,

Jeff:

But more interestingly, the film was written and directed by a man named Zach Minors who’s had a very quiet career. He’s young, he’s directed a few shorts and some other very poorly rated movies. His first movie, which he made before he was 21, was called Pivot Point and it was topical about a school shooting. This was I Am Potential was his follow-up film going from school shooting to inspiration porn. I suspect he did this story because he also is from Kentucky and his film profession company is actually based out of Louisville, so he would probably have known the Hughes. He may have gone to school with the Hughes, I’m not sure. Other interesting note. His most recent movie is a documentary, it’s called Conversion, and the plot of this film is he took an ex Mormon mom, he paired them with a drag queen and they explored the dangers of the conversion therapy industry, which is actually kind of rad given the religious bend of this film. So shout Zach. That’s pretty cool. I’m going to check that film out. I think

sar:

I was somewhat convinced that this film was at least partially funded by the University of Louisville or whatever the institution is down there because if you watch the film, which don’t, the first 20, 30 minutes are all ad spots for Louisville. It’s wild.

Jeff:

Yeah, absolutely. I honestly feel like if Louisville did not pay heavily for this film, Zach, take them to court. You need to sue them for what you’re owed. Absolutely. Now Daddy Patrick who we’ve mentioned probably the most recognizable star, sorry, second most recognizable star in this film, thank You, is played by of course Respect is played by Purchase Jenkins. You probably recognize him as Ray Birds from Remember The Titans or perhaps as Billy Abbott in the Young and the Restless. I did not know this and I love that fact. He was in many episodes of the Young and the Restless, which melodrama that kind of fits in this script. Perhaps

sar:

He gives young and the restless energy for sure.

Jeff:

Yeah, a little bit, absolutely. Yeah. The son Patrick is played by Jimmy Bellinger, who I actually looked it up and he does look quite a bit like the person that he’s playing, so this might be a situation where they cast purely based on looks. He’s also a fairly accomplished actor. He’s had a lot of TV roles over the last 15 years. His biggest role, and I put that in the biggest air quotes possible, was that he played the character Chad in the movie, I believe it’s technically called Blockers, but there’s always a rooster in front of the word blockers. It’s a comedy also don’t watch. It also appeared, and this is true in one episode of the TV show Glee, so

sar:

Yikes.

Jeff:

The other recognizable actor in this movie is of course Judge Reinhold, and if you don’t know who Judge Reinhold is, you are no friend of mine and I am not going to tell you

sar:

The most recognizable actor.

Jeff:

There were some names in this film actually, surprisingly.

sar:

Yeah, I don’t know how they did it. Maybe because of the Louisville funding, they funneled that right into the actor salaries.

Hollis:

I found the mom to be fairly recognizable also.

Jeff:

Yeah, the mom was played by Jana Williamson, who you probably recognize from Parks and Rec

sar:

Ahhhhh.

Hollis:

That’s it.

Jeff:

That’s it. Also in the Good Place or my personal favorite played the principle in the TV adaptation of School of Rock. Not the principal in School of Rock, but rather the TV version of School of Rock.

sar:

That would be the antagonist then, wouldn’t it?

Jeff:

Depending on what side you are on fascism. Yes.

sar:

Fair.

Jeff:

Now we of course have our own opinions of this film, but there are many other people far more qualified than us that have watched it and shared some ideas. Now the good news, bad news is there actually was not a lot of critical response from this film as you probably could imagine, but I did find one really interesting deep dive that was written on a website called Catholic Lane, and this was written by Sister Hana Burns. Shout out sister. I enjoyed your review of this film, but I want to read one little blip that actually caught my eye, which I thought was an interesting thing to talk about. So Sister Burns says about I’m potential, I’m just going to have to tell you a little bit of the plot here, but the joy of watching the film, it is a joy will be the well-executed details.

Do you want to witness a conversion? The depths of a father’s love observe, slowly bonding with his namesake who will never be an athlete but whom dad recognizes has a love and talent for music from his youngest years. These scenes could melt boulders and can be applied to any dad who has the eyes to see and appreciate who his child really is to give up trying to fill his own ideas and dreams through his progeny. I really thought dad was going to walk out for the whole first part of the movie, but just the opposite.

sar:

I mean it feels kind of cheap blaming this movie for the whole, and I want to say it’s an American film dynamic of washed up middle-aged dad who has a favorite sport and hopes that his firstborn son becomes like an Olympic athlete in that sport. I don’t want to blame this film for that, but I think the extent to which they take the melancholic scenes of him looking at footballs or looking at baseballs, these extended medium shots, I thought it was a little bit ridiculous.

Jeff:

Yeah, they really hammered that home. My question for you, Holli, did you believe that the dad was going to walk out on this family at any moment in this film?

Hollis:

Yes.

Jeff:

Really?

Hollis:

Yeah.

sar:

Tell me more.

Hollis:

Yes, I truly believed, especially up until that one night when he came home and the mom was saying, I’m learning too. I’m learning too, and you’re never here. And then Papa Patrick said, I am here, and then he looked at his watch and he is like, oh, I have basketball in 30 minutes basketball.

sar:

It was hilarious because I was watching it with Jeff and he called that at the beginning of the eighties, like this guy’s definitely about to go out to his beer league basketball game

Hollis:

And then the life is just like my point. Exactly. You’re never here.

sar:

Yeah. The dad, for as much interest as he had in his first born son, future Olympian, track, star, football star, et cetera, he really had no interest in the baby.

Jeff:

No he was checked out.

sar:

He was absent for that face.

Hollis:

And also one thing that blew my mind is no interest for the baby’s safety as well because he perched a newborn up on the top of a piano and it’s not even a Dred piano, so he doesn’t have space to roll around on. It’s very thin piano against a wall that’s like barely bigger than him. So if he throws a hissy fit, the baby is falling.

sar:

I love that you specified the prop that they got for that. It’s like the classic suburban kind of baby’s first piano. It’s wood, it kind of looks organ like and yeah, you’re right. The baby barely fits on top of it because their proletarian piano is just not suited for six month old children.

Hollis:

Exactly.

Jeff:

Are you guys telling me that you weren’t raised atop a piano? That’s not a normal baby experience. You’re telling me. Okay.

sar:

I wish.

Jeff:

Okay.

Hollis:

But also I found that up until as well as you guys mentioned how she was hoping for her pulled her back from Louisville or a star pitcher. I found that, is it just me or did they mention in the movie that the Pop Patrick had a degree in music?

Jeff:

So that’s an interesting question. They do seem to imply in the movie that there is sort of music in the family that is a thing, but I think they actually undersell in this film how much music is a thing in the Hughes household because we learn, if you are like me and you’ve watched that episode of Extreme Makeover that all of the children play multiple instruments. Their living room is basically a recorded studio. They have multiple guitars, drums, everything.

sar:

Well, that’s weird because there’s that detail where they’re kind of making a big minor plot detail out of, oh, we really don’t want to buy you the trumpet. We already have this perfectly good piano over here. You’re kind stressing us out. So to hear after the fact that it’s a whole musical inclined family kind of doesn’t check out as far as the screenplay goes.

Jeff:

There’s a whole menagerie and I think it draws into question this other argument that the sister bless her heart makes, which is this notion that the father isn’t out his dreams through the child, and I don’t want to get too far ahead of ourselves, but put it in your minds folks. Was it maybe just that the dream changed if you couldn’t do the sports dream, maybe you could do the music dream instead. There’s a bit of a family band kind of thing going on here, but you Hollis and the sister were not the only ones that tapped into this question of divorce. So too the Amazon user, JEK teacher, which I’m hoping doesn’t mean junior kindergarten, but JUK teacher gave this film a five stars. It was titled Inspiring. This is the whole review. I did not edit this. What a child with major handicaps is born into a family. It often leads to the parent’s divorce and an unhealthy family and this family, everyone overcame something and everyone in the family grew and thrived. When you watch this movie, you’ll be glad you did it’s keeper.

sar:

I think the youngest child, at least from the screenplay perspective, overcame being completely and entirely forgotten and not even being introduced to the audience. He just appeared at the breakfast table one day halfway through the film and we were like, oh, there’s three of them.

Jeff:

I don’t even know the brother’s names. No, that is how little that are mentioned in this film.

Hollis:

They barely, they’re at the dinner table one time and then they’re in the backyard with the grandpa and the swing breaks,

sar:

So they overcame total obliteration of identity, which I think is fairly remarkable.

Jeff:

It is important for us to know. We do know that one of the children liked video games because in one scene he is playing on Game Boy and wearing a T-shirt that says video games. We know that

sar:

It was an SP too, which felt, because this was supposed to be the nineties kind of turn of the two thousands. I think that’s inaccurate. When did the SP come out?

Jeff:

I’m going to blow your mind. Well, okay, we’re going to jump forward because I am going to come back to this question of when in the hell is this film set because it will shock you

sar:

Really? Okay.

Jeff:

Okay, so that is the JEK teacher. I want to dig a little bit into this thing though about children with major handicaps often lead into divorce. Now, I don’t want to call anyone into the chat here inappropriately, but this is actually something that my parents were told when I was diagnosed. They were told You’re probably going to get a divorce, so be ready for that.

sar:

Really?

Hollis:

Oh Wow. Okay.

Jeff:

Spoil alert: they didn’t.

Hollis:

My parents were just told that I wouldn’t live past one.

Jeff:

Okay, I got four. They told me I was going to make it to four

sar:

Hollis. Did your parents divorce though?

Hollis:

Mine?

sar:

Yeah.

Hollis:

Yes, my parents did divorce.

sar:

Oh, they did? Okay, so we got one-to-one. Our pool isn’t big enough.

Jeff:

50%.

Hollis:

Your parents did not?

Jeff:

They did not. Mine did not. They made it through. They made it through. But I always find this such an interesting thing because I wonder, do we basically precognition these divorces? If you’ve just had a disabled child and then you’re told, oh, by the way, these always had the divorce, how many of the divorces are caused by a seeding? This notion that the relationship is going to fall apart anyways

sar:

And it becomes kind of the Sandra Bullock premonition where once you’ve seen it you’re like, well, now this is destiny. This is happening.

Hollis:

That’s a very good point.

Jeff:

I wonder, I really wonder because it’s also something that seems hard to wrap your head around that there is a lot of research on this. Lots of people have written, there’s lots of theories as to why this might be the case. What I would love to know is how much of that data is purely based in North American context? Do we see divorces happening in same rates elsewhere? Yeah.

sar:

Yeah?

Jeff:

I would be very curious to know if it’s like that everywhere or if this is another great instance where the data set is heavily biased because it’s all done by Americans predominantly.

sar:

Well, that would be most quant data sets purely produced by Columbia and Duke.

Hollis:

Yeah, also, Americans do not have free healthcare, so

sar:

that’s true.

Hollis:

They’re probably super stressed out of paying for their disabled and child.

Jeff:

Absolutely. I really want, they do say that a main driver in divorce tends to be financial strain and financial disagreements. That’s a big pusher of it. So are we actually seeing parents divorce because of disability or are they divorcing because of the financial burdens that are placed on American families by a complete lack of support for people with disabilities in that fun country to the south? I wonder. Someone should research that. I wonder. I’m on it. I’m

Hollis:

I’m on it.

Jeff:

That’s the follow-up episode. Yeah. Hollis is going to get to the bottom of this by the time I’m on his podcast. Perfect. Now this movie wasn’t well received by pretty much anybody else. IMDB user, I have no idea how to pronounce this. B hogan, I think maybe b Hogan. BBK,Ogan. I’m not sure. This user gave it a five out of 10 with the title Double Whammy, which is now actually the title of my memoir, double Whammy. Okay, so their review, this is a long one, but I have to read it all out because I think there’s a lot of meat here for us to dig into. Okay. B Hogan says, other than a reference by a female friend of the mother who says that God doesn’t give folks more burden than they can handle something I think that the survivors of suicide would disagree with, there is no overt preaching I and potential. It is the story of a couple whose firstborn is born without eyes and a crippling leg condition that requires many surgeries that in the end don’t help. It’s a double whammy for this poor kid, however, with a pair of glass eyes inserted where his real ones should have been.

Young Jimmy Bellinger, I think there’s a cross in the actor’s name there, young Jimmy Bellinger has an ear for music which is developed in an inspiring story. He is courageous. He is a courageous and ucky young lad and his parents played by Burgess Jenkins and Trevor Williamson have the right stuff. I certainly was impressed by the story, but if this had not been produced by the fundamentalist American Family Association, we might’ve had a serious discussion on his healthcare coverage. This kid was born with a preexisting condition and the family finances are strayed to the breaking point. Sounds like they could have used universal healthcare coverage, but this film was not about to take the story in that direction. I Potential is a good story decently, if not greatly acted by its unknown cast with the exception of Judge Reinhold who plays the young man’s doctor, sorry, editor’s note. Judge Reinhold is not his doctor. Judge Reinhold is the doctor who runs the marching band. This film was not made. This film not viewed by a fundamentalist church audience raises more questions than it answers.

sar:

How dare she pick out Judge Reinhold to be the standout?

Jeff:

I know, right?

sar:

In a blatantly below mediocre cast, the only person who was cast in Fast Times at Ridgemont High was the only underperformer. I think not,

Jeff:

Yeah, yeah. Also, yeah. But I think this is an interesting point and I’m glad that we got here, which is how there is a part of this story about finances and about the cost of living with a disability, which I actually kind of appreciated. Even if they didn’t dig down super deeply into it in the film,

sar:

It was surface level and even saying surface level is a little bit generous, and I think she’s right. That had a lot to do with the funding authority because I would say maybe not no preaching because a major plot point was his Christian TV performance and he literally wore sweatshirts about Jesus and went to Catholic schools. I guess it’s maybe covert preaching, but I felt pretty preached to in the context of this movie, and I also think that the fact that he is religious, at least in the context of the screenplay, becomes kind of a core tenet of this kid’s personality. He dresses like the kind of Bible banging Christian Mormon, I don’t know. He’s got the performance where he is seen by, we don’t know, they didn’t show a clip of the audience, but they said that the arena held six. It all kind of keeps coming back to that over and over. So then if you’re going to have so much of the film B about how Jesus or God won’t give you loads that you can’t handle A, why is he crawling into the kitchen? B, why does he not go to a school that capitalizes on that instead of where he ends up with this marching band that doesn’t think he can do anything? It didn’t add up for me.

Hollis:

Yeah, no, I would absolutely completely agree with all of those thoughts.

Jeff:

Now, Amazon user, Kate Snell did not agree with some of the praise of this film. They gave it two stars, no title and their review is boring.

sar:

Perfect. Review. Five Star review.

Jeff:

Five star review, two stars. I want to know why they gave it two stars, but only one word.

sar:

It wasn’t worth two words we could have done. Very boring.

Jeff:

Very boring. Sure. Now I’m about to offend every German who listens to this show, and I’m sure there are dozens of you, but letterbox user Nick Un 18 shoots back with a five star view on letterbox stating “So traurig und schön” which apparently translates to “so sad and beautiful.”

sar:

I didn’t think that was terrible German, but Hollis is the one watching dark right now. Hollis?

Hollis:

Das ist gut.

Jeff:

Yes, phenomenal. Unfortunately, the only German I really know are swear words that are not maybe the most appropriate for this moment.

Hollis:

I wouldn’t say it was sad. I would say it’s confusing.

sar:

Yeah.

Jeff:

Yeah. I think that’s fair. I didn’t find it sad really at all, but I also didn’t find it beautiful. Oh God, no.

sar:

No. I think they tried to create some levity and some middle ground and in trying to approach that levity and what is fairly objectively a sad story about a baby born with no Eyes, they kind of overshot it and it became kind of this quirky lifetime film about supposedly sad material that’s supposed to turn good. I don’t know. The tone was off

Hollis:

And I don’t know. I think they really skipped over a lot of potential barriers. Absolutely, and I was absolutely, I only found out it was based on True Story after I watched it and I was like, why? Because I kept on thinking, why is this dad making these decisions?

Jeff:

That is a question that I have had since I’ve watched that film.

Hollis:

Yeah, because just to bring up the idea of financing again, he turned down a major promotion at work that would’ve provided them with plenty of financial resources at home, and also the dad was just way too old and protective of his son.

Jeff:

Yeah. There was a lot of that sort of fragility, like the fragile disabled kid thing going on throughout this film. So those are some of the opinions of it, but I think it’s probably time for us to get a little analytical. Are we ready to unpack the movie I Am Potential,

sar:

Please. It’s a shallow box, but we can do it

Hollis:

Oh no. I’ve got many opinions.

Jeff:

Buckle up friends, because Hollis had more thoughts about this movie than the people who made it.

Our story begins with an aggressive Louisville, Kentucky montage to assure the viewers that we are indeed in Louisville, Kentucky office worker and deeply committed pick up basketball player Patrick John Hughes eagerly awaits the arrival of his first son, who he is sure will be a star football player for the University of Louisville because well, we’re in Louisville. Okay, get it. Spoiler alert. Patrick Henry Hughes will not be a star football player because he’s disabled. The doctors informed the Hughes that their son has a variety of impairments due to a rare condition, including the fact that he has no eyes despite Mama Patrick’s suspicion that the doctors just didn’t notice that their son did in fact have eyes. The doctors are absolutely sure he has no eyes. They checked at least twice and honestly it seems like something that would be kind of tough to miss. The hugs are now confronted with a brutal reality. Their son will require a series of surgeries, may never walk, and will require painful glass eyeballs to be jammed into his bloody eye sockets for the foreseeable future.

This puts an immediate strain on the marriage leaving Papapa to wonder how he will ever manage to be a father while also being a peak performer in casual adult men’s league basketball. Now, before we get into discussion of the first step of this film, I want to note that we get a slightly different origin story from the Extreme Manover Home Edition episode. It’s in this episode that Paul Patrick will explain that he actually quit his day job right away early on in the child’s life working nights instead so that he was able to take care of the baby that has been brought back to their home. We also learned that early in his life he has glass eyes surgically implanted, which also in my opinion perhaps draws into question this weird disclosure around the gross bloody pressing in of the glass eyes. Maybe that conversation happened, maybe it didn’t, but that was not really portrayed on the Extreme Home makeover disclosure of the origin stories of Patrick.

Hollis:

Okay, well, first of all, I think it had a lot of ableism

sar:

Absolutely

Hollis:

In the show itself. Just for one, the idea that he had to have eyes in the first place. It’s like, okay, can you not just leave him as he is or put sunglasses on him or you know what I mean? Or was that a health concern because of it?

Jeff:

Well, so they say in the film that if they don’t put the eyes in that his head won’t form correctly. Apparently that’s the destination of the counter. But

sar:

Counterpoint, Jeff and I did debate that when we watched it. I said, I don’t understand why they need to put something in his head either. He can just have no eyes.

Hollis:

Yeah, I am of the same opinion.

sar:

Yeah, I think if he already can’t walk and he needs several spinal surgeries, having minor facial deformities would be the absolute least of this baby’s problems.

Hollis:

Yeah, exactly. And I have not watched the Extreme makeover. Holman didn’t show, but was he in the movie? He quit his job as an accountant or something like that and he then became a luggage carrier cursing, and so was that an accurate depict or

Jeff:

If you believe Home Makeover? Absolutely not. So we will talk about this in a moment, but in the movie he quit his job when his son is in university in the Home makeover version of the story. He quit his job when Patrick was a baby to take care of him. That was the point. Was it still to become a luggage handler? It’s just said that he works overnight, which you presumably could do if you were a baggage person and that he wasn’t making a lot of money. Sorry, that was the other part of the Home Makeover episode is there is a big part about how Father Patrick Patrick and has a lot of guilt that he hasn’t been able to provide for his family financially as well as he had hoped that he would be able to for his son. I doubt whether or not that’s just a part of the in Extreme Home Makeover, the device of that show that you have to, they’re not going to go in and renovate Kanye’s home,

sar:

But you’ve kind of got two competing devices here. So I’m kind of inclined to believe the truth is somewhere in the middle because I felt the film kind of went overboard in portraying this single income earner. Even if he is an accountant at Warren Buffet’s company, there’s no way he’s making the kind of money where they’re picturing him with the Victorian style multi bedroom home with the huge backyard. He’s got three kids and they’re all in sports. His kid with no eyes has had umpteen surgeries. It just didn’t make sense. The wife says multiple times, she’s not working. This is America. It doesn’t check out. So you’ve got the Tai Pennington take on the one hand where he’s like, oh, they didn’t have two nickels to rub together and they skipped so many surgeries and two of their kids are currently starving and the screenplay take of finances are tough, but we’re still managing to have all of these luxuries that look great on film and I think maybe the truth is they were living lower middle class and kind of scraping by. Would that be accurate?

Jeff:

Potentially, yeah. I mean it should be noted that they are in Kentucky and cost of living is lower in the South depending on where you are. Obviously,

sar:

I imagine access to healthcare is also lower in the South

Jeff:

Depending on where you are. Again, they’re in Louisville and University cities tend to have better access because often there’s hospitals associated with university. But yeah, so there is a lot of focus though at the first third of the movie really is this expose of all of its medical problems. That’s really the main focus of the first bit of the film. Now you might be wondering, well, how long do they spend on this? It’s about 10 minutes. It feels like three hours.

sar:

It’s excruciating for sure.

Jeff:

It’s just on and on and on. So let’s move forward then in our story because that’s kind of boring.

sar:

Patrick was six months old in this film for almost half the film

Jeff:

And then immediately jumps forward to university. So life at home is almost immediately rocky for the Hughes family. Papa Patrick is working long hours doing some sort of office work, something to do with computers and PowerPoint slides, maybe a calculator.

sar:

I think Holli is right. It gave the vibe of accountant.

Jeff:

Something? Yes, and he’s working even longer hours at his pickup basketball league, often leaving his wife Patricia to feel as though she is fully responsible for raising the profound disabled child. I’m not joking. He routine and comes home at the start of the film and is like, babe, and you assume that this is high stakes. He’s on his way to the NBA. No, it is a Jersey list, pickup league. They don’t have jerseys.

sar:

Jeff. He’s point guard. He’s the backbone of the team. Disabled son or not.

Jeff:

You have to be there for the boys.

Hollis:

They spent more time focusing in on his beer league basketball than they did on his son’s education.

sar:

Absolutely. Yeah. The beer league basketball was a solid B plot of this film and unsurprisingly it went nowhere. There was no development whatsoever.

Jeff:

I really hope that this was the director that Zach had heard these stories like I’m imagining he interviewed the mom and the dad separately and the dad was like, I was at work and it was busy and I was playing sports and stuff, and then the mom was just like, he would not stop it with the basketball. He would not stop talking about it. He would not stop playing it. I am just trying to survive and he’s playing this minute and so I’m wondering if he was like, what if the film also inappropriately focused on basketball Papa? No reason Patrick plays five days a week every night he was in there grinding. I guess that’s

sar:

Okay. Alternate take what if, and this goes back to a conversation that we were having earlier and is definitely giving the film too much credit. What if they meant to have that as an intentional juxtaposition? Because so much of the dad’s character is, oh, my firstborn son is never going to be an Olympic athlete, and he’s trying to live that dream up until the point where he kind of has that not so triumphant throw of the basketball against his office net. And he goes like, okay, forget it. Sports is over. It’s all music for me now. But it lines up in the context of the screenplay that so much of his acting time is him playing the sports and dealing with his grief through sports and dealing with the collapse of his marriage, which doesn’t actually collapse through sports and only when he releases two the music gods. So therapy could have helped here. Does he give up the five days a week pickup basketball? So maybe it was a point about the characterization of the dad and it just doesn’t translate. You really have to sit here and think about this. Yeah,

Jeff:

I think it was one of those situations where it was so aggressive in your face that then you started to wonder why that you started to think, well, maybe this is leading somewhere else. It can’t be that straightforward. It can’t just be a motif if they’re constantly going back to this basketball game and then it

sar:

And then it was…just a motif.

Jeff:

It is just a motif.

sar:

You were hood winged to the entire time. Pick up basketball just like in real life is going nowhere.

Jeff:

It will end and it ends because mama Patricia puts her foot down and she forces Papa Patrick to become an actual father, to miss basketball for once in his life and to stay home and take care of his son. During this time, Patrick Clearance that his son is actually kind of cool, although he takes the nasty poops and his animal nature appears to be soothed by the dulcet notes of the piano. We then jumped forward an indeterminate amount of time with Patrick now and grown child who has navigated the world with a manual wheelchair and is RACA in the piano hard. Patrick also has two new brothers, one of which we knew was coming, one of which magically appeared, and the only thing we ever learned about them is that one runs fast and did the other live video games. Patrick’s musical talents are immediately put to the test when he was invited in front of a live studio audience to perform his song, the Crusade Canon Ball during a televised edition of the 40th annual WHAS Crusade for Children Peon. Okay, so I want to come back to a question that Sarah asked earlier, which is when do you think this movie was set?

sar:

It was really difficult to determine, honestly.

Jeff:

Do you have a guess? Hollis? Do you have a guess? When do you think this movie was set?

Hollis:

Man judging by his dream car. I would say early nineties.

sar:

Yeah, that was going to be my guess. Set design looked very heavily nineties inspired. That was definitely the kind of lower class income home I grew up in.

Jeff:

Right. Yep. Okay. Early nineties. Okay, buckle up. Buckle up. Despite the broadcast looking like it was filmed in the 1960s with people from the 1990s, this Crusade for Children telethon actually happened on June 4th, 2005. A decade later.

sar:

Okay.

Hollis:

What??

Jeff:

Yeah. It would raise over $5 million and gave grants to 148 agencies in the Kentucky and Indiana areas

Hollis:

Sorry for my ‘wow’d surprise there.

sar:

That’s amazing. So the SP actually is not anachronistic. The SP is totally accurate and it’s just filmed ridiculously.

Jeff:

Yes. Now, I also wanted to share this because I read this and I’m not ashamed to admit I almost peed myself. Okay. This is a quote from the WHAS website about this year’s telethon

sar:

You dug deep for this.

Jeff:

I always do. I can’t stopped. Okay. And I quote “for the first time in recent memory there was a standin room only crowd on hand for the free kickoff variety show at the Kentucky Center’s Bombard Theater. Many think that it was because of the talented trio who returned to their hometown to headline the show, Lance Burton, max Finn and Marty Polio. Others speculated it was because of the free glowing star necklaces that was given to everyone in attendance.”

sar:

I would a hundred percent go to a concert if they were giving me a glowing star necklace. I would go see bands I actively hate to get that.

Jeff:

I love just this complete the dichotomy of it’s like either it was because of the hometown heroes or it was the free giveaway.

sar:

We’re not sure. It was definitely the giveaway. Sorry, Marty Polio.

Jeff:

Marty Polio will never recover from this.

sar:

Sorry man, you’re not a pull.

Jeff:

Yeah, they raised a lot of money. I will say it wasn’t the most that they’ve raised. It was actually a bit of a downed year old, but it was a lot of money and it was, as I said, the first time in recent memory that there was a standing room only in crowd. So it was a pretty big deal. 2005, not 1991.

sar:

Contrast that with the cinematography where I kept making fun during that scene. They would never give us a wide shot of the audience. They just showed us two or three audience members at a time and I was like, they’re not going to do it. They’re not going to give me the wide shot. And they never did. So we actually come out of the film not knowing if this event was even attended. He just did it

Hollis:

Unless the only reason, and I highly doubt that the screenplay was this…?

sar:

Savvy?

Hollis:

Creativity is that it might have been in order to exemplify his experience of it as he was never seeing the crowd. He was only hearing the crowd.

Jeff:

I got you just say that in the script, right? They’re like, is that how many people are there? And he is like, just imagine that they’re on their underwear and he is like, what does that look like? Yeah,

sar:

That says some dipshit comment about picturing them and we’re like, dad, the entire movie is about me not having is.

Jeff:

Yeah, that’s sort of the point here. I think that’s probably, that might be what the director writer says. I think that’s what Zach might say if you ask them. I think probably the real answer is they couldn’t afford that many extras. They afford that many people in a building for one shot. So they scrap it.

sar:

You know what they should have done? They should have done a giveaway.

Jeff:

If they had had some necklaces, some star necklaces,

sar:

I would get some butts in seats.

Jeff:

Come on, bro. Now, I was actually really interested to see the Crusade for Children mentioned in this film because of course the Crusade for Children actually plays a fairly significant role in disability history. It was a major part of the charity world that we understand today. Not specifically the WHAS, but this broader Crusade for Children thing was a big deal in say, Britain. And some scholars would point back to these types of activities as really playing that formative role in how we understand disabled people through things like the telethon. And so I thought this is actually an interesting little piece of disability history that was included in this hall. Do you want to opine for us on telethons and charity and disability?

Hollis:

Honestly have never been my stitch and having muscular dystrophy, I have been told so much about that American muscular dystrophy telethon and how many people are so dedicated to that thing and me saying, yeah, that’s not, I don’t know. I really didn’t identify, I never identified with any kind of telephone

sar:

Context question. If we’re talking about classic mid eighties, early nineties telethons, that kind of predates my TV watching by quite a bit. Would that be kind of like the two thousands live aid? Is that the spectrum of comparison here? No,

Jeff:

No. Nowhere near

sar:

No. Bigger?

Jeff:

No. So I can actually directly speak to this because I was on the Muscular Dystrophy Telethon.

sar:

Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

Jeff:

I was the first national campaign assistant for MTC, which is the Canadian version that runs the thing that Jerry Lewis was running in the States. And so I was actually on the early nineties versions of the Canadian Telethon.

sar:

Oh yeah, dude.

Jeff:

Which would have satellite pieces from the Jerry Lewis that was brought in. So it really was a variety show. So the idea was bring in a bunch of celebrities of some variety that would be sort of mid-tier celebrities. So in modern day, you’re not getting Chapel Rowan in, but you might be getting in some 41 people that were big at one point but aren’t big at all anymore. But the studio audience is not big. When we were doing it in Toronto, when I was there in the early nineties, there would’ve been maybe 50 people in the studio audience.

sar:

Oh wow.

Jeff:

But the objective was make cheap television and have people call in donations. That’s the name of the game. And so you get a lot of local flare as well. So you’d get Fear is a local kid who’s really good at Hula hoop or Fear is a local savant musician that everyone knows in Toronto for whatever reason. So it’d be sort of that type of thing. And then celebrities were people like Kurt Browning or Doug Gilmore who was at the center for the Maple Leafs at the time. It was kind of that sort of vibe and they would just run these things and you’d be told to call in. So really the better comparison is not live aid, it’s the PBS telethons. Those like call-a-thons that PBS dide

sar:

I forgot that.

Jeff:

That’s the vibe. That’s the vibe that would…

sar:

PBS telethon because of viewers like you.

Jeff:

Precisely. You fill in and you might get to be on TV when you call and donate. That was sort of the schtick.

sar:

So the point is not really the actual shtick that’s happening on screen. It’s going viral in today’s terms. The point was to produce viral content

Jeff:

Parade a bunch of people’s eyes so that they phone in and donate.

Hollis:

Exactly. Interesting.

Jeff:

And so in Canada, we did it different in the States. So in Canada it was largely about entertainment that we were trying to entertain people. I was trying to entertain people. I did it for the art.

Hollis:

Well, I don’t think you’re trying to entertain people. You entertain people, period.

sar:

And he still does to this day.

Jeff:

Yeah, thank you. Thank you.

sar:

Hell yeah. Hollis.

Jeff:

Yeah, Hollis coming up big. I’ll pay you later. In the States, they also entertained, but I think a lot more life, the Crusade for Children, the entertainment as has been written by authors like, okay, Longow in the lovely book telethon, the telethon was all about the Pity parade.

sar:

Right.

Jeff:

It was about rolling out sort of sad, pathetic, disabled people and saying, imagine if this was you, are you sad? Donate. And so Paul k Longmore referred to it as basically a annual Tiny Tim event in which the viewer is Scrooge and they have to decide whether or not they will part with their pennies and help the Crotchet family, these disabled people on tv, or are they going to be greedy and hold onto their pennies.

sar:

This is actually the format that Sarah McLaughlin perfected, right?

Jeff:

Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. She was making the soundtrack for this stuff.

sar:

Yeah,

Jeff:

Right. Yeah. And so this is really what’s going on here. And so what I find for the interesting about this is that this moment is shown as the coming out party in a lot of ways for Patrick Hughes to play his song and to vet the charity that has helped him and his family presumably. But what’s actually going on in this telethon, I don’t want to say it’s more sinister, but it’s certainly a lot more about the pity and the inspiration porn as we would call it now, or actually kind of did then. This is 2005. It’s not that long ago that when this was happening. Yeah.

sar:

Okay. So would you say based on the information you have, so Courteously given me, that kind of puts the film itself as written in this kind of super positional role as yet another telethon. It’s a movie about how he went on the telethon and then went on to become some minor student in a college marching band. But the writing and the cinematography and the positioning of the narrative kind of creates another telethon because the point wasn’t the story. It was what you do after the story. How bad do you feel right now? So I got Sarah McLaughlin yet again.

Hollis:

I would completely agree.

sar:

Interesting. So if you position this movie as a telethon, I actually think the movie’s a lot more interesting. I think if you take it at face value, it is a boring piece of garbage. If you super position it to, this was a 1.5 hour attempt to get you to Google conditions like this and donate money. This is kind of an interesting marketing strategy.

Jeff:

No. So I think that theory is dead on. I think that’s what this is trying to do. I think that’s what this movie is trying to do. It’s translating the telethon experience into a 90 minute film. Now, I want to put an important editor’s note here, which is that it is possible that the Handball crusade happened at a much earlier date. It may actually have been in the nineties because the performance of the Canal Crusade may have happened on an earlier date. But the 2005 is the date that’s listed on the WHAS as in performant. However, if you’ve done the math, you will notice that this is actually the year before he will attend the University of Louisville. What the movie doesn’t include is a variety of other performances that, in my opinion, are actually a lot more interesting. For instance, he attended and performed a song, amazing Children on an episode of Maury Povich in 1990. He also performed numerous times at the Grand Old Opry. He also performed, yeah, if you go to his website, he has been performing all over the place at some of the biggest stages, even before he arrives on Instream Home Makeover. I’m curious why then they focused in on the Children’s Crusade and not any of these other big things that he was doing. And the answer perhaps is exactly what you just said, Sarah.

sar:

Well, I think funding is also a big one. I think it’s a combination of the telethon and the fact that a clearly Christian organization has purchased the rights to this film.

Jeff:

Sure, fair enough.

sar:

I don’t think they’re going to show his performance on Maury Povich, however, I would’ve loved that cut.

Jeff:

I’m assuming that it ends with someone throwing a chair at him, right?

sar:

Yeah. I think the movie would be a lot more interesting had they gone with the Maury Povich cut. But to get the funding they had to do the Christian summer camp

Hollis:

Or having Maury Povich tell him, you are not the father. He is not the father. So good.

Jeff:

Oh, it’s a super different movie. If you go down that rabbit hole,

Hollis:

See, if Papa Patrick was told that he is not the father, he would’ve been like, I’m out. I’m focusing on Beer League.

Jeff:

I’m going back to basketball.

sar:

That would’ve led to the divorce. It all comes full circle.

Jeff:

It all comes together. Yeah, it all comes together. Divorce, not because of disability, but because of infidelity,

sar:

Maury Povich…

Jeff:

Maury Povich.

Jeff:

And thus concludes another episode of Invalid Culture. Thank you for listening. I hope you enjoyed it or not. Either way, please take a second. If you haven’t to subscribe to our podcast on whatever platform you’re using, tell a friend, and better yet, do you want to be a victim on the podcast? Go onto our website, invalid culture.com, submit your name. We would love to terrorize you with a bad movie. Have a bad movie of your own that you think that we should watch. Again, jump on our website, culture.com, submit it, and we would love to watch the trash. Be sure to tune in again next week for part two where we will start to dig into the movie and find out whether or not it wins. The coveted Jerry Lewis seal of approval.

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Transcript – Part 2

[A clip from the film plays to start the podcast]
Doctor:
We discovered some anomalies. What do you mean anomalies? Patrick Henry was born with a rare condition. It’s called bilateral an ophthalmia. He was born without eyes. I mean there must be some kind. The ultrasound said that he was healthy. I’m sorry, it’s easily missed. I’m afraid there’s more.
[Intro theme song, “Arguing with Strangers on the Internet” by Mvll Crimes plays]
Jeff:
You are listening to Invalid Culture, a podcast dedicated to excavating the strangest and most baffling media representations of disability. This podcast is all about staring into the abyss of pop culture adjacent films that never quite broke through because well, they’re just awful. So buckle up folks. The following content is rated I for invalid.
Jeff:
Welcome back to another episode of Invalid Culture, part two of I Am Potential. As always, I am your host, Jeff Preston, and I’m here again with Sarah Curry, co-host and our special guest victim Hollis. Alright, let’s get right to it. Okay, so let’s flash forward. Fat Trick has now grown up and I want to note that we literally do flash forward. This movie has a series of blackout jump cuts in which suddenly people are just older and we are expected to understand that. So Patrick has grown up and despite a few surgical and swim related setbacks has now entered high school. He has developed a new musical passion in part because of his swing related injury. The trumpet and marching bands, things are still tough for the hues though as Papa Patrick is being absolutely ridden at work by his boss, who is never satisfied and he even will have to sell his beloved car to help pay for Patrick’s escalated medical bills. As Patrick moves toward graduation from high school with his new best friend Bryce, he has set his eyes on a noom goal,
Got him joining the University of Louisville marching band Patch is accepted to the U of L to study something who knows, doesn’t matter, but he is confronted with a bigger problem marching band leader Dr. Greg Byrne, who I assume has a PhD in PET and a postdoc in funk is worried about the manual wheelchair moving around the field and thinks that it just might not be possible. Luckily, after some modifications to his chair, which basically consists of putting bigger tires on the front, that problem is resolved. But who will push him around the field when he plays? Obviously it’s his high school friend Bryce, right? Of course not. Papa Patrick has a crisis of faith in corporate capitalism. He quits his job despite being offered a full control of the company as the next regional manager, CEO, unclear, and he will take up a night job working as a baggage handler at the local airport and goes full time on the marching band. Our film eventually concludes with the father and son duo achieving their dream, taking the field at Allan Federal Credit Union Stadium and playing at the University of Illinois football game and the movie is over. Praise be.
sar:
I think I said when we were watching it that the movie could have honestly started when he was in high school. We learned precious little from the first 45 minutes of the film, we learned that he is disabled. His parents are kind of sad about it. His dad really fucking loves basketball, and that’s about it. That’s half the film’s runtime,
Jeff:
And Patrick appears to have had a wildly more interesting life in the late nineties and early two thousands that could have been great cover for this film.
Hollis:
I’m very happy that we’re getting into this part of the film because these are what my major thoughts are is that this film would’ve been so much better had they had more than two scenes of him in high school.
sar:
Yeah,
Hollis:
Fair.
sar:
It’s true.
Hollis:
Because day one, he gets there and the popular kid is making fun of him. Day two, him and the popular kid are best friends and they’re running around the hallway and then suddenly he turns the corner falls out of his chair and suddenly Papa Patrick is so over their jet of him that he decides no one else will ever push my son around. Excuse my language, put a fucking seatbelt on the guy, right? Yeah. And put it by your seatbelt on a guy. Take the job promotion, have the opportunity to pay for a full-time attendant and provide for your family.
Jeff:
Yeah, it is a baffling turn in the story, which makes a lot more sense in the context of it probably didn’t happen this way.
sar:
Yeah, I seriously doubt it. I don’t think this guy quit his job to be a pusher in a varsity marching band
Jeff:
Unless this is actually the dream. If he had two dreams, either football star or musician star, and the musician one really did pan out, maybe people have done less to become a stage mom. Right?
Hollis:
Yeah.
sar:
I could not understand, and this is going off Hollis’s earlier point, why they introduced Bryce only to have him play a totally non-committal role as an occasional audience member. I thought that they were introducing Bryce to be kind of his principal assistant in this varsity marching band,
Jeff:
And I’m so glad you brought that up, Sarah, because I think I might actually have an answer to that question.
sar:
Excellent.
Jeff:
Now, in the Extreme Makeover Home edition episode, Patrick Henry often refers to his blindness as an ability that it provides him with different kinds of sight, and one of those types of sight he explains is that he does not see race literally and therefore does not discriminate. He says, those as in race have no meaning to me whatsoever. I just see what’s within a person. So I don’t want to say that Patrick was the first, I don’t see race, but also he literally doesn’t see race.
sar:
Yeah. He’s actually innovating in this argument.
Jeff:
A little bit perhaps? But it also maybe glosses over a little bit what race is as three white people are about to enter into a conversation on race and what it means. So this should be great and not at all.
sar:
Totally inappropriate.
Jeff:
That is why I fully believe this is why that is in there is because this is a thing that Patrick Henry has been saying. He said it on the actually blank over home edition. I’m guessing it’s something that he’s been brought up in other contexts, whether it’s interviews or what have you…
Hollis:
They do briefly mention it in high school as in the cafeteria. The friend was like, oh, so you only see black? And then he says, I don’t know what black is.
Jeff:
Right, exactly. And so I think that’s literally the reason that this was placed today. I think that might be the only reason that Bryce is there was for them to play this heartwarming turn of phrase that he doesn’t see race.
sar:
Well, I mean the whole film is disappointing, but it’s kind of a disappointing addition in what is already a disappointing film because, and I’m sorry Patrick, if you ever hear this, the kind of foe enlightenment around, oh, I call my disabilities abilities and Special Olympics and I don’t see race or see color. It’s something we teach children, and then as you develop context and history and basic intersectionality, you come to the realization that, okay, there are some very legitimate things that get in the way of some people having more and less than others. So if you want to be a truly compassionate person, you can’t get on the telephone telephone, not telephone both and say, I don’t see rays, but all black people are the same, all disablement is the same. It doesn’t work, but it works in the context of this telethon. For the same reason that Sarah McLaughlin holding up puppies with two broken legs and says, give me money or adopt. It works in that you’re kind of glossing over the moral incongruity there to get to the money,
Jeff:
Right? Yeah. It flattens it, right? It flattens everything down, which I know is the thing that happens when it’s a 90 minute film, things get flattened in the process of 90 minutes.
sar:
I’m not sure his entire moral outlook should have been flattened for a 90 minute film about him as a person, but otherwise I concur.
Jeff:
Yeah. What other the thoughts did you have about the school system, Hollis?
Hollis:
Some of it was very relatable, other parts of it or that is not…No, no. The fact that high school was enjoyable to him as a disabled student was baffling to me because there’s no way he, he did not ever experience any kind of bullying. That cafeteria scene I thought was about to jump into a series of bullying that he experienced in high school, but then the next scene, they were best friends somehow that it didn’t really skip, it didn’t transition.
sar:
Yeah. I got the sense, and Jeff can correct me if he got a different sense that the movie was trying pretty hard not to disparage the very living person, Patrick. So if there were too many scenes dedicated to embarrassing parts of his persona or episodes of his life, he would rather not relive. There’s this ya trope where a bunch of the characters become fast friends by way of these canny insults toward one another that then get executed in real life a lot more messily and less successfully than they do in stuff like Fault in our stars. And I think they were kind of drawing on that narrative in my mind to try to make him and what’s it, Bryce Fast friends. I don’t think he actually had a stunning quip in the moment of his bullying, but for the movie he did, and I think it’s because it’s servicing the narrative and the telethon of cult of personality of Mini Patrick.
Jeff:
Yeah. Well, yeah. I think that this is all about the notion of his charisma is enough to win over anybody, even a staunchest critic, a bully in high school,
sar:
Yeah. And we’ve all been to high school, that doesn’t work.
Jeff:
I won over none of my bullies. My stunning charisma was useless in the face of bullying.
Hollis:
Exactly.
Jeff:
Yeah. But it is interesting, this notion, and this is perhaps where unintentionally the film is maybe a bit religious in that Patrick does have this sort of messianic nature about him being risen up and a moral paragon. He works hard, he’s dedicated to what he does. There are no half measures here. He wins over people, he finds solutions, he inspires people. But this is exactly what Bill Peace, I think would describe as the good cripple that he’s performing the proper way to be a disabled boy at this time, sort of turn of the century millennial babies.
sar:
Yeah. I don’t even think he tosses out an insult now that I think about it. Right. He doesn’t even do that.
Jeff:
No, he doesn’t. Which it could have been interesting. Like you said, if this movie started with him entering high school, you could’ve actually gotten into some of this messy stuff. I mean, the race politics of Louisville is going to be far more complicated than it was addressed in this film. I would imagine. It’s true. I’m not from Louisville, but I would imagine in Kentucky there’s some fun stuff going on in this.
sar:
I want to know Patrick’s arc of telling other high school kids, 15, 16 year olds, I don’t see rice. I wanted to see that play out on screen. I
Hollis:
Know. Yeah. Again, it had so much potential.
sar:
So much potential, Hollis.
Jeff:
Yeah, Yeah.
Hollis:
Yeah.
Jeff:
So I think this actually brings us, I’m sorry, but we should probably talk about the fact that this movie does fall into a couple interesting tropes, and I think the one really interesting trope that we should talk about is the trope of making a biopic about a disabled person that accidentally is about the non-disabled person. I would argue this movie is about the dad, it’s not about Patrick.
Hollis:
Yeah, I would completely agree with you with that. I almost said without hypnosis.
Jeff:
Yes. Yeah. The medium is the message as we all know. Yeah. The other one that I wanted to talk a little bit about is what I call the pain parade. This is the desire, the urgent need to talk constantly about surgeries, injuries, rehab, struggle. We actually don’t know a lot about Patrick. I know lots of other surgeries, but I don’t know really anything else about him other than he likes music and he’s had a rough go with his body.
sar:
We don’t even really see the struggle. The struggle of this film was him trying to make band and for whatever reason, there’s a whole five minute scene dedicated to the head of this marching band saying, well, no, you can’t join because half of the premise here is March this Ken does march. He really could not let that go.
Hollis:
Yeah.
sar:
There’s a cool ableism point to be made there about how do we envision accommodations. But I think it was actually a much simpler point about this is one of the biggest hardships in this guy’s life with some fairly well off parents, and the only real hardship we’re getting in the context of the screenplay is him crawling to the kitchen inexplicably, still looking for an explanation on that. They had a ramp,
Jeff:
I will say that is actually accurate to their world. So this ramp crawling scene is also a part of the Extreme Makeover episode. Wild. This is one of the issues. There is a ramp to get into their kitchen that he is unable to push himself up. It’s too steep for him to push up. So he has to get out of his chair, crawl up, and reel it in.
sar:
Gotcha.
Jeff:
I will say that I do not understand
Hollis:
Use a power chair?
Jeff:
They did not make the ramp longer to make the slope less. There was room, you can see in both the film there was tons of room makeover. There is room for them to extend that rant if that was the real problem.
sar:
And they did two different of it. So they really wanted to hone in on this trouble getting to the kitchen thing. And I don’t know if they were just at a complete loss for other troubles to give this kid, but it really felt truly bizarre.
Jeff:
My theory is this is the She makeover viral effect, but it was lose bit afterwards and that scene I did was particularly evocative to audiences of that show.
sar:
That’s what got Ty Pennington on the phone. He was like, that’s it.
Jeff:
He’s like, not, can’t even get into the kitchen. Invite America. You can get into the kitchen when you can tell your mom know what to make to you. So that might be it, but it’s wild. This movie spends a ton of time about how hard it is, how painful it is, but as our reviewer earlier explains, there really isn’t a whole lot of real deep engagement with there has to be a better way. What if there was funding?
sar:
Well, they don’t even show it, which I think might’ve also increased the narrative intrigue had they shown him in pain or him recovering after a surgery or not to make it more pain parade, but all of the dialogue kind of felt like an after effects add in where they’ll change the color of your eyes after the fact. They just had these script throw ins like, oh, he had seven surgeries this year and he’s just sitting there playing the trumpet and I’m like, I don’t think he had seven surgeries this year. What the fuck?
Hollis:
There’s no way he’s playing trumpet after seven fucking surgeries.
Jeff:
Yeah. So he has a spinal cord surgery for scoliosis. I also had that surgery. Hollis also had that surgery.
sar:
Holy hell.
Jeff:
After the surgery, were you sitting up in a bed talking to people?
Hollis:
Fuck no.
sar:
Were you playing the trumpet?
Hollis:
I was half conscious.
Jeff:
Yeah. I was not conscious for three days after the surgery.
sar:
Yeah, yeah. So you’re telling me the stage show is untrue.
Jeff:
They lied to you, Sarah.
sar:
Unbelievable.
Hollis:
I honestly, I barely remember coming out of that surgery.
Jeff:
No, not at all.
Hollis:
Yeah,
sar:
You didn’t go to AP bio the next day.
Hollis:
Oh yeah. And I remember basically I remember that surgery is the pain when they were removing 18 staples.
Jeff:
Yep. Yeah. I was about six months in recovery where I was basically on my back. I was on the couch taking a lot of codeine and falling in love with Rosie O’Donnell.
sar:
Nice.
Jeff:
And then the codeine went away and I suddenly didn’t like Rosie O’Donnell. So funny how that works. Surely there’s no connection.
sar:
No.
Jeff:
The other one, obviously this is what we probably don’t need to talk about, but with loss comes a special gift in this case because he doesn’t have eyes. He has music and apparently anti-racism.
sar:
It kind of just felt like, and I don’t even know if I can blame the film for this because I’m sure this church or organization wasn’t made of money, but it felt like the no-frills version of every trope we had the inspiration porn, we had the Pan Olympics, we had him having unconscionable troubles, we had his entire life story, all the hits, but it was all done badly and totally unmoving. And even when I’m saying it’s hard to talk about, I wanted to see more of the pain while still saying, I don’t want to see only pain because I’m just not buying the version you’re giving me. The version you’re giving me is so no frills as for me to not believe the entire telethon you needed to commit to one or two of these tropes instead of doing 10 or 12 of ’em in the explain like I’m five budget version.
Jeff:
Yeah, absolutely.
sar:
Does that make sense?
Jeff:
No, absolutely. Absolutely.
sar:
It just ended up, I felt like I wasn’t understanding the plot and then I’m looking it up and I’m like, no, that was the plot. That’s what they were trying to get across. I just don’t get it.
Jeff:
Now, listeners of the show will know that we have a fully empirical, completely scientific and rigorous method in which we rate all of our films titled The Invalid Culture Scale, which we will put this movie to the test to determine where it falls on our scale, whether or not it maybe is actually art or if it will win the coveted Jerry Lewis seal of approval. So on a scale of one to five, with five being the least accurate, how accurate does this film portray disability?
Hollis:
I want to say four. Four and a half. Four and a half.
sar:
Four and a half.
Hollis:
Because yes, he does have a lot of surgeries as a kid with his fairly relatable because he goes for scoliosis, he brace his leg and a number other surgeries for his disorder and he has, the one thing that I found even more relatable was the fact that he had an EA sitting beside him in every class in high school.
Jeff:
That doesn’t happen.
sar:
Maybe it does in Louisville. Maybe they have unprecedented funding.
Hollis:
It happened for me. I don’t know about you.
Jeff:
Definitely not for me. I was allowed one third of an attendant.
Hollis:
Really?
Jeff:
They chopped that guy up. Yes.
Hollis:
Yes. Oh, maybe it’s a London rule.
Jeff:
I was in London, I was in a different town, but I had one third of an attendant, damnit Hollis.
sar:
So we are 1-to-1 again. It’s interesting to me that you guys have a lot of the same disablement as what’s being depicted here and oftentimes in the context of this episode, very opposite experiences of it, which is fun for me as a third party observer because now I believe nothing. Yeah,
Jeff:
Yea it’s all made up basically “Disability is, whose line is line is it anyway? It’s all random. It’s all made up.
sar:
Yeah. We’re all just atoms floating in the universe and how much help you receive is just completely random,
Jeff:
Totally arbitrary. Depends on how good you are at piano.
sar:
So I’m not as helpful for this film because Jeff keeps picking physical disability films and I’m a mental disability expert, so color me useless, but I’m going to go with three.
Hollis:
Jeff was being selfish in his choices.
sar:
Yeah, Jeff is being real selfish with the film selection right now.
Jeff:
So, Two points. There’re just all disabled physically, always one heavy content in that side and yeah, that’s why. And they’re mostly men. That’s the other fun thing. It’s so cool.
sar:
They’re mostly men. Perfect. Alright. I went with three and I went with three because of the conversation we were having toward the end about, I felt like they were doing a lot of typical disability on film devices, but in not committing to any of them. And I wonder how much of this is because or if they consulted with the family on the screenplay and I think that would change my answer if they had writing credit on the screenplay, but if they didn’t, the depiction is so flimsy in all of the trope making that none of them get pulled off. If they made kind of a builder basic inspiration porn film like the Hill, I would’ve actually given it a lower score, lower being better because it at least committed to the inspiration for an angle. This film didn’t even do that.
Jeff:
I’m pretty much right in the middle. I gave it a four. I was going to say it might be accurate to Patrick Henry’s life. I actually don’t think that that’s necessarily the case, but I also think that it’s not super accurate in terms of what life with disability is like. There’s all the highlights. They have all the buzzwords, the things that you have probably heard if you talk to a disabled person for a few minutes around concerns around access, concerns around bills, concerns around surgeries. They’ve got all the elements there, but it’s all just so glossed, just completely glossed over. And there’s really no attempt to engage critically with what this means, with what it means that his family isn’t able to afford healthcare, what it means that he’s working his way through element or through high school and then eventually goes on into university. I think there’s the major focus on these high level points in a biography as opposed to the real things that make a human. I’m going to give it a four. On a scale of one to five, with five being the hardest, how hard was it for you to get through this film?
Hollis:
I’m going to say four because I did not watch it on, I watched it on YouTube premium so I didn’t have two miracles.
sar:
Oh hell yeah.
Hollis:
So that’s why it was shorter, so it was easier to get through. That’s why I gave it the four out of five and not vital.
sar:
You saw the YouTube cut?
Hollis:
Yeah.
sar:
Maybe we should have watched that.
Jeff:
We boned that one. Sorry folks.
sar:
I did find this harder to get through than a lot of the more entertaining I see films, so I’m going to agree with Hollis on four. I think part of the value of it, if you go to watch it, which you shouldn’t, is it really is kind of like a K-pop drama slice of life where you really do get the kind of me entering day-to-day style. And if that’s genuinely your thing, I think you might actually enjoy this film, but it’s not my thing at all. I’m not big on slice of life, so I found it quite difficult combined with the obvious screenplay problems.
Jeff:
So I’m the outlier on this one. I gave it a 2.5. This is by no means the worst that I’ve ever had to sit through. It wasn’t terrible filmmaking. I mean it wasn’t great filmmaking, but by the context of this podcast, this was not the worst thing I’ve had to sit through. I remember it ending and not feeling like I had ruined my life. Absolutely. And that to me feels like I wasn’t exhausted afterwards. And this might be tip of my hand a little bit, but also my answer to the next question also kind of explains why I gave this a 2.5. So the next question is on a scale of one to five, with five being the maximum, how often did you laugh at things that were not supposed to be funny?
Hollis:
I’d say three and a half.
sar:
Okay.
Hollis:
I found the idea. Think the thing that I laugh most actually out loud about was how it seemed like a good idea for him to quit his job and become a baggage handler that would’ve paid him maybe a fifth of the salary that he was already earning and then maybe a 10th of the salary that he could have taken.
sar:
I’m going to go high. I’m going to give it a four because I was laughing throughout this movie and some of it might’ve been the margaritas, but at least some of it was outright ridiculous scene composition. You had the theater with him playing and his dad telling him just picture the audience naked or with just their underwear on and he turns around like, dad, I’ve had no eyes my whole life type of thing. Or when the parents come home and there’s, I kid you not, there’s a two or three minute scene that Jeff touched on where the parents are arguing over whether the baby was or was not born with eyes. And Jeff and I were joking. I feel like as a nurse that would be fairly easy to identify on a scale of difficult disorders, checking the eyelid and seeing if there’s anything in it. They’re going to be pretty sure. And there’s just ridiculous moments like that throughout the film. So I was laughing quite a bit, but I don’t think the screenplay was trying to make that funny. I think they were trying to make increasingly dramatic moments and the tonal shift was such that anything that might otherwise have translated as kind of a dramatic lilt instead translated as absurdity.
Jeff:
Yep. I was right there with you. I went higher. I gave it a five. This was objectively a really funny that I don’t think it was intended to be as funny as it was. I laughed at all the things you were mentioning, the Are you sure he doesn’t have eyes? Hilarious. I have to play basketball all the time. Hilarious. I have to sell my car. Hilarious grandpa trying to kill his grandchild. Hilarious. It was all hilarious. I thought it was really, really funny. It was not intended to be. I’m a terrible person and I’m okay with that. And that is why I found it a very watchable film because it was really funny when you really think about it. Yeah. Okay.
sar:
I think it’s not, when you think about it, it’s when you totally release your mind. You choose to think nothing and just let the film wash over you.
Jeff:
Just let it smash against you.
sar:
Like the tide coming in at the end of the day.
Jeff:
Yeah. Rolling up the ramp just to get a glass of water. Okay, scale of one to five, our last question, my favorite one with five being the most, how many steps back has this film put disabled people?
Hollis:
Five being the highest?
sar:
Yes.
Hollis:
A million.
sar:
A million.
Jeff:
So that’s a five. We’re go with a five.
Hollis:
Yeah. We’re going with five. It does not picture the life of a disabled person accurately at all. And it focuses on the woe is me Life of the father way too much.
sar:
When I put it in the context of the other films we’ve watched this year, I think stuff like I can never say it, quid pro quo actually does far more dangerous things for disablement and popular culture than something like this film, which was just kind of a poorly edited, attempted inspiration porn. I think if you’re doing poorly edited, attempted inspiration porn, there is enough of that entrenched in North American society that people pretty much know what to make of it at face value. This isn’t a film that I would give to somebody with a whole bunch of notes about what movements that it’s drawing on unlike some of the other films in Jeff’s because it’s just so bafflingly simplistic and it doesn’t try to achieve anything other than its telethon narrative value. And if that’s all they were going for sure, I respect that. If what you really wanted to do was tell an inspirational quasi story to raise a bunch more money, that’s great.
But I don’t think that’s as damaging to disability culture than films that actively promote disinformation or really harmful opinions about culture. Not that inspiration porn isn’t a harmful opinion, but I’m kind of counting on when I meet a stranger. But that’s an opinion that we’re working on changing. Whereas the Republican fantasy epic was rapidly more dangerous than a film this, you’d have to host a showing after that, showing to discuss the problems with that showing. And I don’t feel that you’d have to do that with this film. You’d just get up on stage and be like, well, that sure was an attempt, right? And everybody would kind of already know what you’re saying. Does that make sense?
Jeff:
Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I really struggled with this. I’ve changed my score on this multiple times since I saw it. I have oscillated between two and five for days, months even. And I think I’m going to go with four because at the end of the day what I always come back to on this film is that this is a story about a real person who still lives and exists and literally lives where the production company is based. They theoretically have all the access they could ever dream of this person. And they told possibly the most boring part of this kid’s life that they told the story about him surviving childhood, playing in his high school marching band, playing in the university marching band when this dude has been on TV multiple times. He’s been on Moy Povich, he’s been on Oprah, he’s been around the world performing. He’s played on major stages. I’m thinking about a movie like Walk the Line, the bio-pic about Johnny Cash.
Hollis:
And eah
Jeff:
I’m like, can you imagine if Walk the Line was just about Johnny Cash’s childhood to university age? And that’s not to say that Patrick Henry Hughes is like what Johnny Cash level musical performer, but I think it does say that they missed so much interesting stuff about his life and they missed it because it didn’t fit the inspiration poor narrative in a clean and easy way, right?
sar:
Yep.
Jeff:
How could he be a sad disabled person if he’s also performing on Oprah? It doesn’t line up. Right. Sure. And for that reason, I think that even though it’s not intentional, it never is or rarely is I did this film, am punishing it, penalize it because there was a real opportunity here to tell a cool story about a genuinely interesting person. And I don’t think we got that story. I think we were robbed of that story. And instead the record will hold, at least for those who watched the film that Patrick Henry hug is a diamond dozen inspiration porn kid and I don’t think that’s exactly who he is. And for that I’m going to give it a four.
sar:
I think that’s a pretty nuanced review. I like that review.
Hollis:
Yeah. I would say it was a very accurate review
Jeff:
As we get angry on behalf of Patrick Henry here at Hughes. So if he doesn’t come and murder me when he does what I do and stalks me on the internet and finds where I live, so the scores have been tabulated drum roll please, with never have a term roll with shocking 45.5 Im potential comes in with our second highest category. A crime may have been committed, which feels about right I would say.
sar:
That’s accurate. I don’t think it’s the, I was debating whether this would be Jerry Lewis level and I didn’t feel it deserved Jerry Lewis level. It’s not one of the worst ones we saw this year, but it’s extremely problematic if you’re doing a disability or rendering of it.
Hollis:
Well, given the fact that you guys are saying that this is not the worst one that you have watched, I’m very happy that I’m not hosting a podcast.
sar:
You would not believe the bullshit that Jeff has made me watch. You would truly not believe it.
Jeff:
Oh, I’m such a bad person.
sar:
Oh no. This was one of the better ones. Hollis. Jeff clearly likes you as a friend. He gave you one of the better films.
Jeff:
Yeah. You didn’t get adequately punished, which I think means that you need to come back for a future episode.
sar:
Sounds like Hollis is coming up again!
Hollis:
I think I deserve a better punishment apart from putting up conversation with Jeff.
Jeff:
Well, we’ll see how your podcast that I’m going to join goes and we’ll see what level of torture you get after that.
Hollis:
There you go.
Jeff:
Yeah. Well thank you so much Hol, for joining us. It’s been a pleasure.
sar:
Thank you.
Hollis:
I am so happy that this, when you pair with me about making this show, I was super excited and it seems so far away and now it’s here and now it’s done. You did it. You survived.
sar:
We had so much fun with you.
Hollis:
It was a blast. Yeah, it was lovely to meet you as well. And I know at the beginning of the show you guys are saying how it’s September again and it is September and you guys are excited to go back. And I always now feel weird for me in Septembers because I’m not joined back and I have not joined back since before the pandemic. I drove by my old elementary school the other day and seeing the kids coming out of there, it’s like, oh my God, that was yesterday. Right?
Jeff:
Yeah. It’s such a weird loss. I mean, you think about Augusts when you were young and for myself, I always dreaded August because it meant that school was coming and I didn’t want to go back. And now as an adult, I mean I still go back to school. I’m a professor, I forgot to leave. But it’s such a different emotion. You missed the excitement and you missed the coming back together. And now in work lives, you don’t get that. Which is why I believe that capitalism should just shut off for two months in the summer. We should all just go on vacation, hang out, play in the forest together and spit in the woods. The woods, and then go back to work in September,
Hollis:
Be in a campfire singing Dear Abby. Yeah.
Jeff:
Yeah exactly. So King of Capitalism, I think that might be Elon Musk or Bezos maybe if you’re listening to this, give the people back summer holidays
sar:
End World Hunger. Just do it for fun. Honestly, if I had that much money, I’d just do it for funsies
Hollis:
And stop capitalism for two months and turned into, you know, part of the conversation was making me remember this, Jeff, do you remember when we used to go to the Easter Seals Camps? The winner is: Friendship. I hated that. Absolutely hated that.
Jeff:
Yeah. Absolutely.
sar:
That could have very easily been a scene in this film. If we were wondering about the tone of this film, the tone is Easter Seals Foundation Marathon.
Jeff:
Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much. Pretty much. So that wraps up another edition. It’s really the edition, I would say, of invalid culture, but we are not done yet, folks. We have two more films and then a very special Christmas episode. So tune in with us next month in October where things are going to get spooky. And by that I mean terrifying and not in the way the director intended. Have a good one. Enjoy Back to School.
Jeff:
And thus concludes another episode of Invalid Culture. Thank you for listening. I hope you enjoyed it or not. Either way, please take a second. If you haven’t to subscribe to our podcast on whatever platform you’re using, tell a friend, and better yet, do you want to be a victim on the podcast? Go on to our website, invalid culture.com, submit your name. We would love to terrorize you with a bad movie. Have a bad movie of your own that you think that we should watch. Again, jump on our website, invalid culture.com, submit it, and we would love to watch the Trash with Strangers on the internet. Everyone is wrong, I just haven’t told them yet.

[Outro theme song, “Arguing with Strangers on the Internet” by Mvll Crimes plays]

Movie poster of Special Unit

You’ve heard of ACAB, now meet ACAD — all cops are disabled!

A screwball comedy that imagines a world in which equality legislation requires the LAPD to hire disabled cops, Special Unit attempts to set a record for the most flagrant use of the r-word in a film. Despite its attempt to offend, perhaps the greatest sin of this film is not the potty language but the reality that it is just not a good movie by any stretch of the imagination. Sar and Jeff are joined this month by guest victim and award-winning poet, Liv Mammone, to try and unpack this tangled mess of disability, policing, and political (in)correctness!

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Grading the Film

As always, this film is reviewed with scores recorded in four main categories, with 1 being the best and 5 being the worst. Like the game of golf, the lower the score the better.

How accurate is the representation?

Liv – 4.7 / 5

sar – 2.5 / 5

Jeff – 3.5 / 5

Total – 10.7 / 15

How difficult was it to watch the movie?

Liv – 4 / 5

sar – 5 / 5

Jeff – 5 / 5

Total – 14 / 15

How often were things unintentionally funny?

Liv – .5 / 5

sar – 2.5 / 5

Jeff – 1 / 5

Total – 4 / 15

How far back has it put disabled people?

Liv – 3.5 / 5

sar – 2 / 5

Jeff – 4 / 5

Total – 9.5 / 15

The Verdict

Crimes Have Been Committed

Transcript – Part 1

Jeff:

Hi friends, Jeff here. This month’s film and by extension, the next two episodes come with a big content warning ahead. You will hear on several occasions a harmful word colloquially referred to as the R word that has been used to invalidate disabled people for a very long time. There’s also an above average number of swear words in these episodes. Kind of related kind of not. While we have tried to avoid using the R word when possible, there are moments in this podcast where it couldn’t be avoided, and for that we are sorry. If you are not in a space right now to hear this type of content, this film and next two episodes might not be for you. That’s okay. Don’t worry. You’re not missing anything by taking a little break. Before we go on, we also felt that it was important to note that contrary to what folks may argue, the R word is absolutely connected to histories of medical labeling that have been used to invalidate the personhood of disabled people.

And it is these histories that animate its use to this present day. You cannot refer to someone or something as an R word without evoking this connection and perpetuated the belief that people with cognitive disabilities are less than saying, I didn’t mean it that way. Doesn’t change this what you mean pales in comparison to what it means to others and maybe even more importantly, what it presents as natural or uncontested willfully. Continuing to use this word makes you at best, complicit and ableism and at worst, a failure of a human being. Our languages are filled with millions of colorful ways to disrespect people. So maybe let’s commit to using words that don’t rely on de-legitimizing metaphors of our brothers and sisters, just to make a joke. Be nice to each other, even if this podcast is really not about nice things.

[The trailer for Special Unit plays to open the episode]

Jeff:

You are listening to Invalid Culture, a podcast dedicated to excavating the strangest and most baffling media representations of disability. This podcast is all about staring into the abyss of pop culture adjacent films that never quite broke through because well, they’re just awful. So buckle up folks. The following content is rated I for invalid.

[Mvll Crimes song, “Arguing With Strangers” plays]:

I’m argue wing with strangers on the internet, not going out today because I’m feeling too upset, argue wing with strangers on the internet and I’m winning.

Jeff:

Welcome back to another thrilling edition of Invalid Culture. As always, I am your host, Jeff Preston, and I’m joined by co-host. Sarah, how are you doing?

sar:

Straight out of the hells of avernus because it’s 44 with the humid X today. How are you, Jeff?

Jeff:

You know it. I’m feeling just as hot as this movie is. It’s fitting that we are living in a literal hellscape and we had to watch this movie.

sar:

It’s true. It’s also straight out of avernus.

Jeff:

We are not the only ones of course who had to watch the movie. We are joined as always by a very special guest, a very fitting special guest. Actually, given the movie that we’re talking about this week or this month, we thought we should get a poet on to the show because only a poet could actually unpack this. I think so we are joined today by Liv Mammone. She is an editor and poet from Long Island. Her poetry has appeared with Button Poetry, the Poetry Foundation, medical Journal of Australia and many other places. In 2017, she competed for the Union Square Slam as the first disabled woman to be on a New York National Poetry Slam team. That’s pretty amazing. Liv was also a finalist in the Capturing Fire National Poetry Slam 2017 Brooklyn Poets Fellow Ze Glossier fellow. She’s also currently editor at Game Over Books and in 2022, lib had one of the most red poems at splitting this rock’s poetry database to worry her first collection, which will be about 18,000 times better than the movie that we watched is coming out in 2025. Liv, welcome to the pod.

Liv:

Hi. I am so delighted to be here, and yes, even with all my imposter syndrome, I can genuinely say the book will be at least 18 to 20,000 times better than the movie that we just watched. No amount of imposter syndrome can take this away from me.

sar:

Liv, do you ever get physically exhausted by the amount of awards per year you win? Do you ever just go home covered in Taylor Swift style Grammys and you’re like, I literally cannot carry them all?

Liv:

That’s very sweet of you. Yeah, no. Actually, that bio is actually the crst thing about me. I sent Jeff the bio because we’re not as close as some of Jeff’s other friends who have appeared on this podcast. So I emailed Jeff and I was like, do you want a bio? And I always feel so cringey sending the bio to people. It does actually sound like I have a career as opposed to just sitting at home in my house telling people when they get commas wrong in their sentences and telling them when they’ve been ableist, which is kind of my job. The book basically is just stuff that able-bodied people have said to me in publics, kind of what I do for a living is just look at people and be like, you’re never going to believe what happened to me today. I was actually really nervous to come here because I was like, oh, they’ve had Lawrence Carter Long on this podcast who I actually think is a brilliant man, and I’m like, oh, they’ve had some really smart people on this pod. I’m not a film person. I don’t know how to talk about movies really. And then I watched this movie and I was like, I’m good.

sar:

Don’t worry Liv. They also have me on this podcast, so it evens out, right?

Liv:

No, you’re so smart. No, I’m not going to do what I did to you off mic and shower you with compliments, but you are so, so insightful and I am so excited to get to talk to you about this terrible movie.

Jeff:

Well, Liv, I’ll tell you, the good news is you are not the only person who’s not a film person. Christopher Titus is also not a film person, and they are the ones who created our film. This month we watched the baffling film Special Unit. Now for those of you who have not watched Special Unit from the Box, this is the description of this movie due to the Fairness and Disabilities Act, the Van Nuys PD is forced to hire four handicapped undercover detectives and their training officer happens to be the worst cop in Los Angeles. Now, Sarah, would you say that’s an accurate description of what happens this film

sar:

Compared to the other descriptions of other films you’ve made me watch? This one’s actually phenomenally accurate.

Jeff:

I actually agree this. I’ve never seen a more accurate description. That’s exactly what happens in this movie.

Liv:

Yeah, summed up. Summed up very well, very succinct. Yeah. Again, not to jump too far ahead, this movie could have been 40 minutes long. It’s an hour and 40 minutes long, and just with that summary, it’s like this movie could have been 45 minutes and we wouldn’t have lost anything.

Jeff:

Oh, easily. I think when we started watching this movie before we watched it, I said to Sarah, oh yeah, I think that’s an 88 minute, 90 minute in and out. Wham bam. No, it is not friends. It is almost two hours that you will never get back.

Liv:

So freaking long.

sar:

Couple movies have been longer actually.

Liv:

Yes, The Hill was very long. I checked the runtime on that one too and I was like, man, that’s long. It’s not. It’s too much. That’s more than I would invest.

Jeff:

It’s far too much.

sar:

Not all of y’all are Martin Scorsese

Liv:

Really truly. Even Martin Scorsese sometimes is not Martin Scorsese. There’s no need for those movies to be that long.

Jeff:

Absolutely, absolutely. Now it’s fitting me via, the tagline for this movie was Surrender Before They Hurt themselves, which I think gives us a bit of a sense of what type of movie we’re getting ourselves into. This movie has been described as a screwball comedy. It feels very much like Family Guy, kind of edgy. We’re going to say offensive words and it’s going to be funny. I think that was kind of what they were trying to go for, but the movie has also, bafflingly won several awards. It won the best actor, David Filioni won best actor in a feature film at the Chicago Comedy Film Festival Second City. What are you doing?

Liv:

I feel bad for, I don’t want to cut down one of my own because that actor is disabled and I don’t want to Good for him, but also, oh my God, why? What? Really not even Debbie Carrington. Okay,

Jeff:

Sure. Nope. It also won the best comedy feature at the Los Angeles Film Awards and it won the jury prize Best Direction award at the Hope Film Awards. Now, the website for that award has not updated since 2017, which means that in my opinion, Christopher Titus is the undisputed uncontested champion of the Hope Film Awards now of seven years running. As far as I know,

Liv:

Viewers, you can’t see how far my jaw is actually away from the top of my face listening to the fact that this won awards. Wow, guys,

Jeff:

It won multiple awards. The film itself is dedicated to James Troesh. They are a quadriplegic actor writer. They passed away in 2011 and thus we’re not required to be in or watch this film, an early version of the script. This is…okay, are you guys sitting down? Everyone needs to be sitting down. If you are listening to this and you’re in a car–pullover. An early version of this script was designed as a pilot for TV and it was directed by Brian Cranston.

Liv:

What? Oh my God. Yeah. I want that so badly. I want to see it. I want to see what Brian Cranston did to this. I have so many questions.

Jeff:

So by my account, Brian Cranston now owes the disabled community for two pieces of crap that he has been involved in.

Liv:

I was going to say, wasn’t there. The other one as well that I haven’t watched that the in

Jeff:

Intouchables, yea

Liv:

That version of the French film that he made. Yeah. He still owes us for that one as well.

Jeff:

Yeah, Brian owes us for that. He owes us for this. We’ll give him Breaking Bad, but he’s still behind. So Brian, if you’re listening, you owe us.

Liv:

You owe us. Sorry dude.

Jeff:

Yeah. So who is actually responsible for this movie? Brian Cranston was not directly responsible for this movie. It is predominantly the responsibility of a writer director, comedian Christopher Titus, who’s been kind of all over the B movie circuit. Most notably Christopher Titus was in the class cult classic Tiller Clowns from Outer Space. He also appeared in one episode of 21 Jump Street. He also appeared in an episode of Colombo and an episode of the Twilight Zone reboot. He also has written and starred in his own television series titled Titus, which was nominated for a daytime Emmy, did not win and won the 2003 Excellence in Production Design award for the Art Directors Guild. It should also be noted though before we move forward that this is not the first time that Tida has got involved in disability, in fact, and one of his very popular standup specials.

Liv:

Oh, good. I’m so glad we get to talk about this. I’m so glad we get to talk about this.

Jeff:

We’re going to talk about “Voice in my head”. Titus goes on a bit of a rant about the R word stating that he does not believe the R word is actually associated with disabled people. For instance, he thinks that disabled people like Oscar Pistorius are advanced. I do not know if this joke was made before or after Oscar Pistorius murdered his wife. Rather, he defines “retarded” as quote, “it means you were born a certain way, you were born a certain level, but you didn’t live up to that. You were behind where you should have been and goes on to say that if you have everything working perfectly, you have all your facilities about you, you end up addicted to crystal meth and living under a bridge, you are effing retarded.”

Liv:

So a definition that no other person uses. Great, good. So he’s invented his own definition for why he’s allowed to say this word. No other person who’s ever used this word has used it in this context. Okay. Alright. Titus. Alright. Right.

sar:

I don’t want to attribute it solely to him because he’s using a manifestation of that word that was around quite a bit when I was growing up. So late nineties, early two thousands. That’s pretty much what it meant. He’s right about that, but we were all wrong. Right now, I think one of the filling words for that now might be just working class, all the stereotypes associated with people who live their entire lives below the poverty line, which would include me, but I also feel like the original definition included me. So Christopher Titus just made a career out of being a slightly less funny and worse looking. Joel McHale with terrible disability writer.

Liv:

Thank you so much. I was actually going to say he’s trying so hard to be Joel McHale in this movie. It is wild to me. I now having watched community, I actually, the reason that I picked this film is because I am a tightest fan girl. Really. His standups were really, really important to me when I was 1920 in college and when I saw that he made this film, I love him and I love Billy Cardell, so I didn’t have a lot of hope, but I was like, okay, how cancelable are these two guys going to be at the end of this hour and 40 minutes? How offended am I going to walk away? Really, really feeling bad about my affinity for Christopher Titus’s work at the end of this 40 minutes, and that’s why I really wanted to watch this. I went in kind of with this very graceful, I don’t think this is going to be made with bad intent because I know this is kind of titus’s thing.

He has a lot of jokes in his standup about his disabled friends, comedians of his who are disabled, who have done things that he thinks are really, really funny. I was like, okay, I don’t think this is made with bad intention. Let’s see how badly they missed the mark. It’s not like I went in saying it was going to be a good movie. I just was like, alright, let’s just see how bad the misfire is because I don’t actually think that Titus is trying to make fun of me. I genuinely don’t believe that. I genuinely do not believe that he is trying to, it’s not like watching Family Guy where I’m like, I genuinely think that people who make the show hate disabled people and are trying to make

Disabled people. What I do think at the end of this movie, not to jump too far ahead, is the Titus is deeply confused about his feelings about disabled people and really just wants to be able to say the ar slur with impunity and has made an entire hour and 40 minute movie about why he should get to do that and that’s what this movie is. I really think that that’s just what the whole point of this was, that he just really wants to get to say the ar slur you guys just really a lot. So

Jeff:

It’s okay. It’s a funny word apparently.

Liv:

It’s a funny word.

Jeff:

Yeah. So I bring this quote up because we’re going to circle back to this exact conversation in a moment. Before we do though, who else was in this film? Well, that’s right. Sports fans. We have for the first time ever on invalid culture, we have a back-to-back appearance, a repeat offender on our podcast, and that is Debbie Lee Carrington who plays Sophie. You may remember her as Kitty Kats in tiptoes, but more likely you will recognize her from pretty much every pop culture thing of the eighties and nineties, including appearances on Harry, the Hendersons Seinfeld, Baywatch in the Color, the Drew Carey Show, married with Children was also in movies. This is True Life Returned of the Jedi, Batman Returns and Men in Black, but more than that, most of you probably remember her as Thumbalina in Total Recall.

sar:

I was going to say, how did you do that list without total recall? Come on!

Jeff:

Yeah.

Liv:

I want to talk to Debbie Harrington so bad after watching this movie. I have so many questions I want to sit down on. You have a discussion. I really, I want to have a discussion so bad. It’s like, oh my God.

Jeff:

Debbie has had a genuinely incredible career and in no way deserves to be tortured by movies like Tiptoes a special unit. So Debbie, get help. Please, please. So our fan favorite in Chicago apparently for whatever that is worth is David Figlioni who plays the artistic savant Alvin. As far as I can tell, David does not identify as disabled. I looked everywhere. I don’t see any description of this. Figlinoi has made a lot of appearances in television. He was on an episode of Brooklyn nine nine. He was in an episode of Mom. He was also in Penny Dreadful. He also apparently has been in over 100 national television commercials, which is amazing, but even more amazing Canadian connection. He did a three year international tour as a circus clown for Cirque de Soleil.

Liv:

Oh my God, yes. I want it so much. I need to see it.

Jeff:

It makes a lot of sense actually. When you think about the character, there was definitely some clowning going on with the Alvin character.

Liv:

I suppose the one thing I will say is that he’s having a great time this actor, regardless of what I have to say about the performance, which is we’ll get to it. I have a lot to say about it. He’s having a ball and you can tell, and I really hope that everybody on this movie had a good time. This goes back to what I was saying about I don’t think this movie is made with ill intent. I really genuinely feel that this movie thinks it’s funny and thinks it’s trying to say something different and interesting, and I really hope that everybody on the movie had a good time because I did not have a good time watching it, and it’s only saving Grace is if the people making it had a good time because we obviously didn’t, so I hope

Jeff:

So. It was a bad time. It was a bad time.

Liv:

It was a bad time.

Jeff:

Yeah. Our stuttering cop with Cerebral Palsy, Morgin, it is played by Michael Aronin. Now, Michael Aronin is an actually disabled dude who does a combination of motivational speaking and comedy from his speaker’s Bureau website. It says Michael speaks about what it is growing up with the disabled in an able-bodied world and of the importance of Believe it in ourselves of building and maintaining a support system and of the crucial role humor and attitude can play in our lives. Michael will tell you his only disability is losing his hair at an early age.

Liv:

Okay, that’s funny.

Jeff:

That paragraph comes two paragraphs after a paragraph, which says that his disability is cerebral palsy. So I think she actually has two disabilities, cerebral palsy and losing his hair

Liv:

Yeah, I get very cynical about stuff like this. I get very cynical about the only disability is a bad attitude. It’s like, nah. Especially as I’m getting older and I’m getting sicker, I’m kind of like, ah, I don’t know. Dude, I have some questions.

Jeff:

Yeah. Oh, for sure. Our foursomes rounded out with conspiracy seat theorist, wheelchair user, Mac, who was played by Tobias Forest is also actually disabled, uses a wheelchair in real life, whatever that means, and has probably most famously appeared in an episode of How To Get Away With Murder in 2014. He also, however, wrote and appears in a fairly successful 14 minute indie film called Dead End Drive, which is a zombie movie. You could watch it on YouTube that picked up a bunch of festival awards in 2020 and 2021. So presumably scorned by not winning any awards for his turn in this movie, he went and did it himself and won way more awards with that end drive. So you could check that out.

As you can probably imagine, there was not a lot of critical response to this film. There are no reviews on Rotten Tomatoes that you could access. So I had to go a little deeper in. I did, however, find two fairly detailed reviews of this film, one which was quite positive and one that hated it, and that’s the one that I want to talk about. So Flinthart wrote on a website called Mutant Reviewers Movies, which is a great name for our website. Flint Hart was not a fan of the film, basically wrote a dissertation about this movie. It is the longest review I’ve ever seen. It is extremely angry from the review. Flinthart says, quote, bottom line, the movie is one long string of R word jokes and what kind of solace, sociopathic idiot figured you could mount a premise like that for comedy while still somehow respecting the people whose disabilities underpin every single joke that made it to the screen.

Liv:

Ding, ding, ding. Yeah, this is definitely what I walked away from this movie with, but better stated.

Jeff:

Well, unfortunately, not everyone walked away with that opinion because if you scroll to the bottom of this review, you will discover that Christopher Titus has jumped into the comment section and replied to the review.

Liv:

He’s a reply guy. Oh, delightful.

Jeff:

Okay, so here’s Christopher Titus’s review to the review quote. This is a quote folks, I did not say this. There are some swearing, so plug your ears quote you piece of shit you think these actors didn’t read and approve the script. They did that. They didn’t know what it was. My friends are disabled. They get fucked over by Hollywood on the Daily. I made a promise to Michael Arman that I will get this made disabled people with power, not the normal sage of the wheelchair or cripple that needs to be protected. So fuck you and your review. I have parents who have thanked me for the vision and inspiration their disabled children have been given because of my $3,000 film. You’re a shit reviewer with the insight of a blind air light pilot fuck off. Sincerely, Christopher Titus.

sar:

That’s an incredible review

Liv:

It’s a rich text

sar:

I want to agree with it, but I also kind of disagree. How do I want to say this? I have a nuanced opinion on this and I’m trying to say it non offensively. I think that Christopher Titus’s goal here was an in-crowd film by disabled people for disabled people that wanted to do kind of the quid pro quo thing of making up what he felt the in-crowd would be and do and act like. And it’s possible that between him and his friends, this really is his day-to-Day and his day-to-Day and disability culture is just late eighties, early nineties. Constant slander and unenlightened opinions and really derivative thinking about Crip culture and I accept that and I think he is kind of trying to defend that Crip culture isn’t any one thing by saying, fuck you, you piece of shit. But if you read between the lines of that to hear super generously, I think I can create or co-create what Crip culture looks like.

For me. It’s an overly generous review of what Christopher Titus is trying to do, but I don’t think the movie is entirely guilty of just being full on parody. I think there are elements of it that you can pull out of it where there’s a little more nuance and that can explain things like why most of this cast is disabled and why Brian Cranston wanted to direct, but what we came out with in the end is hard to defend and that makes this opinion really difficult to say out loud. You hear what I mean here?

Liv:

Yes, absolutely. Thank you so much, Sarah, because this is what I mean when I said I have a little bit of grace for Titus going into this movie. I wanted to do this movie because I actually really like Titus and really respect him and actually was thinking of getting a tattoo of something that he said in his most recent standup. This is our relationship is serious. We have a relationship. Christopher Titus and I do actually believe that this is how he talks to his disabled friends and his friends have given him the go ahead about this. I think that that is genuinely true, and as somebody who I am not the most politically correct person, I have a very, very dark sense of humor if I know you and love you. My non-disabled friends have made jokes about me that have made me cry laughing that if you ever said them in public, people would beat my friends in the street.

Really just genuinely terrible. My whole barometer is it’s only offensive if it doesn’t make me laugh and this movie Sin is, it did not make me laugh for a whole hour and 45 minutes. So I don’t actually even have as much difficulty with the premise as it is just profoundly unfunny. This would be fine for me if any of it was funny and if the jokes weren’t all making fun of the protagonist of this movie, which is really where I think Titus is a little bit confused. You can’t make a movie. He doesn’t know whether he wants to uplift these characters or call them idiots for an hour and 45 minutes, and that’s where it all kind of gets a little bit muddled, which is why I kind of don’t, I believe that he believes what he is saying. I really do. I also want to draw out specifically disabled parents telling Titus that this…

Jeff:

We can talk about…

Liv:

Thank you? Yes, draw some attention to that a little bit because that really for me is a very important distinction. Parents of disabled children or adults rather versus actual disabled people giving Titus the go ahead on this movie that was made for three grand. So I really want to draw attention to that.

Jeff:

So I have two things for, so I fully agree with you with eyes. To me this feels like Christopher Titus is a blunt instrument trying to perform surgery. This is a thing that needed a bit of delicacy and a bit of, I don’t want to say wit, that’s not the right word, but Titus feels like a bit of a bull in China shop. It feels like you’re just going to run in and smash stuff up. Okay,

sar:

But wait, maybe that’s part of the point. If you continue to do the good faith reading, maybe the fact that we think that Crip culture has to be done delicately is part of the point he’s making.

Liv:

Yeah.

Jeff:

Yeah. Very, very possible. So I fully agree with them. Disabled people are regularly screwed over by Hollywood. They say when people are regularly presented as these sages or Indian protection or whatever. He’s totally right about that. I don’t know that this movie did anything to combat that. Well, no, and I would love to know what parents are showing this movie that they’re, oh

sar:

My God, yeah, that audience is zero. Who would do that? He’s on about an audience for this movie that doesn’t exist

Liv:

Generously that perhaps happened to him once maybe, and that’s what he’s going on

Jeff:

Christopher Titus, if you are listening to this, please connect us with the parents of these disabled children. We would really like to talk to them. That would be fascinating to learn, but folks, it actually just gets better. A review of this film was also posted on Reddit on r slash bad movies, and once again, Christopher Titus jumps into the comment section with a defense of his film. Love Titus says, this is on Reddit. We did this movie because I have so many friends that are disabled and they only get bullshit rules. They’re wise, sage, disabled guys or someone able bodied has to help them and save them. This movie, I made them the heroes. We hired 16 disabled actors. The movie is funny with a message about just treating disabled people like you want to be treated, and yes, they do stop a school shooting to you who are offended yet not disabled. Fuck all the way off. Sincerely, Christopher Titus. I will say I’m enamored with the reality that this man signs off his internet comments with sincerely Christopher Titus

sar:

It’s giving email signature. “Sincerely”. When people sign their name and then underneath they know it’s going to attach their email signature, but they attach it anyway

Liv:

Or it says, sent from my iPhone. When you get an email from a really old person and it says, sent from my iPhone at the bottom of every single one because they don’t know how to change it, this is such a delightful encapsulation of what Titus is doing with his time. I really, oh God bless. I just really, I love knowing this so much and the fact that this doesn’t really make me feel any worse about him. I love that. For me, I’m kind of like, oh, the level of empathy that I feel towards this man, like, oh buddy, I really, oh, I want to have a conversation with him so bad. I really want to be able to sit down with him and be like, I understand. I get it. You didn’t hit the mark here, my guy, you just didn’t do it.

Jeff:

Yeah. So I included this because I thought that it was important context to get us into Christopher Titus’s frame of mind, and I think it maybe does help us to unpack the movie a little bit later, but I also wanted to do it because I have never seen a producer of a film from a movie that we’ve covered kind of defend their film publicly in the comment sections, and so shout out, that was great.

sar:

Well, it actually made me more willing to defend the movie here because I showed up today ready to just rip this film apart and now I’m trying to give it this kind of pseudo blaxploitation like reading where he’s trying to do this at least somewhat intentionally, and I think it is making a really interesting point about casting and role setting and type casting and this and that and the other thing, but it’s also making a kind of derivative point about how humor translates, even when you take it for granted that there are different in groups for humor and there are different Crip cultures and there are different ways that people want to tackle both of those things, and the Venn diagram of this intersection is oceans apart, and I think that’s where you can start debating was his intention that people hate disabled people more after this? No, but I can see why you got that.

Liv:

That is unfortunately what will occur perhaps if you watch this film. I don’t know. This gives me a really interesting insight into a question that I came away from the film with, which is who is this movie for Christopher Tit

sar:

16 Disabled Friends? That’s where this movie was for

Liv:

That’s it exactly, it’s him and the people who were in this movie. That’s who this movie was for because I walked away from this being like, I don’t know what, who was the audience for this? I don’t understand.

sar:

It very clearly defined an in-crowd, and if you weren’t in that in-crowd, by Titus’s definition, he not only wanted you to feel alienated by this film, he wanted you to feel actively disrespected by it and it worked, but it didn’t do what he thought he was going to do as a result of that.

Jeff:

Yeah, I don’t know that this was exactly the gotcha that he intended for it to be.

Liv:

It did not offend me as much as I thought it was going to is the most generous thing I can say because there is a long bit in one of Titus’s earlier standups that I actually used to find very funny, and then I got radicalized where he refers to kind of the voice in his head that tells him inferior things about himself as his inner ARS slur, and he does the voice and kind of does a proto Trumpian very clearly cerebral palsy, inspired hand gesture, and it’s supposed to be this kind of thing about that’s the voice in your head that tells you things about yourself that are untrue. That’s your kind of negative is your inner because that person is an idiot and doesn’t know you as well as you know, and therefore that’s kind of the payoff of the joke. I also think that there’s something interesting here to say about genre, and this is a point that a friend of mine made. I’m taking this from a friend of mine, a journalist named Esme Mazzio, who wrote an article about how a lot of the comedy of our youth in the eighties and nineties is just making fun of disabled adults without actually knowing that that’s what they’re doing. If you watch Elf or Billy Madison or Happy Gilmore, a lot of that.

sar:

I think Happy Gilmore was very aware of what it was doing.

Liv:

Do You think he was aware of it? Okay.

Jeff:

Dumb and Dumber.

sar:

I think that was the entire joke of Happy Gilmore.

Liv:

Okay, great. So if you watch The Waterboy or any of those types of films or even some of the early Jim Carrey stuff, I feel has a little bit of this flavor to it as well. And I remember being that age and watching those films and being 10 or 12 and thinking, I didn’t have a sense of humor because I just didn’t find any of this very funny, and I was just kind of like, oh, okay, sure. They’re doing a weird voice, all right, for a whole couple of hours. And then it was only when my friend made this point in her article about Elf that I was like, oh, maybe that’s why I didn’t think I was funny for 20 years because this is uncomfortable for me and I just didn’t realize that it was me and people like me who are being made fun of. So I think if you look at it in that RA of film, I think Titus is really going for, what if we said the quiet part loud? What if we actually did absolutely what we actually were doing the whole time, but we didn’t admit we were doing and we actually hired some of the people that we’re making fun of to make fun of themselves.

sar:

Yeah, you’re thinking like a marriage of American Pie meets The Ringer and he just did both badly.

Liv:

Yeah. Yes.

Jeff:

Now I also agree with Christopher Titus, the reviewers in this world don’t know anything. The real reviews we find from random people on the internet who post things on websites like Amazon and IMDB. Now this movie I had a really hard time finding because yeah, no one writes about this movie. I don’t think many people have seen it until this until now. People are going to see it. So I do have two though that I want to read to you because they tickled me and I really need your help are saying this. Okay, so our first comes from IMDB. Both of ’em actually come from IMDB. Our first is from User Greenheart. They gave the film a seven out of 10 and the review is titled The Specials A lady Mayor Jilted by her ex-fiancee that seemed to work with a group of cadets who are part of a disability scheme in order to get reelected.

I really don’t know what to feel about this. I would love to have a view for the disabled community. The four Disabled cadets are excellent, very funny, and yet there is so much cheap shot humor, although you would expect that everything will turn out okay. Calling people with disabilities retards constantly is just not cool. The idea was great. The acting in casting was spot on. The script was the only thing that I found close to retarded. I’m using scenes at a gun range, at a martial arts class. The scene where school kids parade to safety when a shooter enters their school is just plain heroine. So much potential. I really did enjoy it. I just felt unnecessarily uncomfortable at times.

sar:

As I think about this, and especially taking some of Liv’s commentary into context, it feels like what the pitch might’ve been to whoever the fuck produced this was. I want to do American Pie, but I reduct it for Crip culture because a lot of what people are complaining about is what people in the nineties were complaining about with American Pie, where you’re being outwardly offensive and most people won’t find it funny, but the niche will kind of thing. The American Pie Band Camp film basically invented that for when I was a teenager, and then he saw things like I keep thinking of The Ringer just because the concept is similar. The Ringer was about Catherine Hegel, I think it was trying to train Johnny Knoxville to be in the Special Olympics, and it has a lot of similar overlap jokes to what was predictable in this film.

The Ringer was terrible, but at the time when The Ringer came out, I found that film funny, and I think if I watched it again, there would still be parts I would laugh at, but I’m having trouble rectifying how you go for the kind of American pie larger than life being intentionally offensive, being for a niche and foreign in-crowd and still doing so much wrong by that in-crowd in ways that I don’t even think the ringer achieved. I think because the writing, but B, the intention of the ringer was to kind of try to say, you see how shitty we’re being and the intention doesn’t feel the same here. It feels more like, fuck all the abs able bodied out there, and also we can go fuck ourselves too.

Jeff:

Yeah. I think one of the reasons I love this review and by love is, I mean this not in the way that love works as a word on the opposite of love is this notion of in back-to-back sentences. The person is like, it’s not cool to use the R word and then is like, but I also thought that the script was R word, and I think that that’s exactly what this movie is doing too, where it’s like it’s saying, haha, I’m saying this bad word, but I shouldn’t be saying it and it’s a bad thing and you shouldn’t do this. But then I’m also going to lean into these other things very naturally and very subtly, which I’m not even thinking about because I’m not actually a part of this broader community. I don’t see that I’m doing weird things that are weird.

sar:

To be simplistic, it feels like when your mom tells you that the difference between when a joke is funny and when it isn’t is if everyone else is laughing and this film feels like it’s laughing at Crips instead of with Crips. And a lot of the other examples we’ve been naming of films in similar veins feels more like a width. So when the Crips have stopped laughing, maybe that’s what’s generating all this discomfort because it’s no longer funny,

Liv:

Which is so interesting because how often do you see a movie where a third of the cast is disabled?

sar:

Yeah, they all find it funny. I can’t explain that.

Liv:

I’d be like, hell yeah, Titus, hire your friends. Oh my God. Well, no, I’ll save that joke for when we do the plot. But there was this one particular joke that I actually really thought was very funny, and it’s the one joke in the whole movie that I thought was funny and it’s uttered by a disabled person, and I was like, oh my God. In another context, this would feel really empowering, and I think Titus really wants it to, but I don’t know. He just went so far off track and I don’t know how any of his actors didn’t clock this. I have so many questions about the cast of this movie, and I don’t doubt that they approved it. I don’t doubt that he didn’t say anything in the script that his cast was uncomfortable saying. I just have questions about the dynamic there. And yeah, I have so many questions about how those jokes landed for the people who had to say those jokes. I don’t know, because there isn’t even a lot of the disabled characters making fun of themselves, which I wouldn’t really mind. I make fun of myself all the time. My humor is very self-deprecating. The character of Garrett Fowler spends most of his time making fun of the disabled characters in this film, which I think is its major problem

Jeff:

And spends the majority of the time talking. The disabled characters actually have very few lines in the film except for Alvin. Very few. It’s predominantly Alvin has a few lines, but a lot of ’em are defeated lines too though, right? It’s like how many times are we going to get the hustler poop choke? Literally a billion times times

Liv:

The martial arts scene happens twice. They do literally the same joke. This is what my point, it happens three times. Three times, yeah. This goes to my point about the movie being padded. The movie I felt was at least 15 minutes too long, and that was a big part of it. We do get that joke three times. And also the fact that the actor playing Alvin is a non-disabled actor and gets much more screen time than any of the other actors who are actually disabled. I have thoughts about the math on that, but okay.

Jeff:

Now unfortunately, all of us, we are silly people and we don’t understand art. Like JA zero 13 does on IMDB, Ja zero rated this 10 out of 10 titled, I’m not making this up, I needed this movie.

sar:

You know what? He’s part of that cra. I am not surprised by that.

Liv:

Fascinated to hear this take. Yeah, really can’t wait to hear this.

Jeff:

Definitely not leaving any spoilers behind because I’d rather have people watch this for themselves. I just have to say that since we’re not going to see any Al Bundy down humor anymore, our humor like this movie provides on encounter the fact that our delicate, thin-skinned little snowflake culture that we’ve cultivated will no longer allow us to have a laugh. I’m considered disabled. I feel that every once in a while we have to enjoy a little bit of dark humor or even humor that is completely inappropriate. This whole movie is completely inappropriate, but it’s intended to be. We just need to be able to laugh at ourselves more. If we can’t learn to do that, then we’re already more disabled than we think.

Liv:

I hate that. I agree with that on its face. I actually agree with that, but I also feel like gallows humor only works if you’re the one that’s standing on the gallows and Titus is not standing on the gallies. So I think this movie would be very different for me. Number one, if it was made, if the script was actually funny, which I don’t think it is, number two, if it was actually directed and written by a disabled comedian, if Josh Blue or someone got behind this, I would have infinitely more grace for this film because I don’t think that these characters are laughing at themselves. I think the actors are laughing at themselves, which good for them. If they are, I hope they are. I don’t think the characters are laughing at themselves. I think Garrett Fowler is laughing at the characters the entire, and what’s interesting is not only Garrett Fowler, the Christopher Titus character, but all of the non-disabled characters are laughing at these people. And so you kind of can’t tell the difference between the main character who is supposed to grow and change and learn that these people are effective at this job and the random other side characters who are making fun of them just because they’re ablest assholes. It’s like, I can’t tell the difference because you’re all saying the same things. I don’t.

Jeff:

Sarah, what do you make of the fact that we have now had another reference to Snowflake culture in the reviews of an IC movie?

sar:

It keeps coming back. It don’t stop coming and it don’t stop coming. I actually thought what was more interesting, and I think it’s the same conversation if you’re going to do the Republican Democrat wars, is that he references Al Bundy by name, which was the kind of married with children character who was this charlatan shitty husband, mid eighties absent father type figure. That was kind of a prototype for modern characters like Homer Simpson. And I think the relation beyond, oh, why can’t I be offensive anymore, is that it’s kind of the same thing I was trying to stumble through at the beginning of the podcast where I’m saying I really do get that in groups like people who find Al Bundy funny, which I did, especially as a teenager, have a right to exist. And then what you have to measure is who loses out as a result of those groups equal right to exist in this kind of myriad of kaleidoscopic cultures where you’re in inappropriateness is always coming at another group’s expense, but you can measure the kind of success of that by who’s laughing or how many groups are laughing.

So a super modern example of that would be someone like Bill Burr. Bill Burr takes tons of ingroup to task, but he does it in a way that for a modern postmodern audience is still funny. But I think he achieves the humor in that he’s just as willing to a take the brunt of the humor. He uses himself as his main subject, which I think is what Liv is getting at, but his inappropriateness doesn’t seem to have as high a cost to the other ingroup, and it makes it seem a little more bearable. Whereas people like Al Bundy, you go back and watch those episodes and it does seem like there’s a tangible cost there.

Jeff:

Yeah, I mean maybe it’s just like punch it up, punch it down thing. It’s a lot of things.

sar:

It’s the generation.

Jeff:

It’s a lot of things.

sar:

Your figures were coming of age in it, so I keep referencing American Pie, but people 10 years older than me might be referencing married with children.

Jeff:

Yeah. Now, the other thing I want to know, do you have any idea what they mean by Al Bundy’s down?

sar:

I think they mean offensive.

Jeff:

I have no idea. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yes. Like lowbrow. Yes. You think maybe. Okay. Yeah, that one I was like down Down syndrome humor or..? Yeah, I had no idea. I couldn’t piece that one together, but I’m glad that Jerzio found this film. They found the film that they needed.

Liv:

Thank you. This is a delightful thing for me as an artist, knowing that your piece of art will find the audience that needs it. I’m saying this completely without irony. I worry about what if what I’m putting out doesn’t matter and doesn’t make an impact, and no, your work will find the people that actually really need it. And this review, absolutely, 1000% proves that, which is such a lift up for me as an artist. I feel very inspired by that.

Jeff:

Yeah, find your Jerzio13. That’s all you need to do. Find your Jerzio13, everyone special unit. Is this a watch? Is it a pass?

Liv:

God, it’s a hard pass. It’s a thing that I want to expose my other friends who are big time tightest fans to, because I want to show my artist friends that we don’t have to hit the mark every single time. It doesn’t have to be good. You can still put work out into the world and have it not hit. But for regular people who I don’t think are going to really get the joke that is this movie, which is not to say that there are jokes in this movie. I don’t think that there are. But the joke of the film itself conceptually, no, it’s a hard pass. I wouldn’t subject anyone to this.

sar:

I mean, I totally agree that it was genuinely hard to watch, but I think hearing the reviews has made me a lot more thoughtful of the kind of questions it’s asking, and so far as what’s the difference between this and why we canceled Jerry Seinfeld but didn’t cancel Bill Burr kind of thing. And the longer you kind of fight and twist around with that argument, the more your own kind of kaleidoscope emerges that there’s just so many individual circumstances that feed into the whole genre of humor and especially parody humor, that you’re just going to be so polarized to some elements that some people are going to be less polarized by and vice versa. So is there a way to actually come to a coherent conclusion on, was this for anyone or can I cancel this or not cancel that? I don’t know. I am thinking pretty hard about a film that I really didn’t enjoy

Jeff:

Right now. You as audience, if you have not watched this movie yet, and I can’t imagine why that would be, you still have time to watch it because we are going to wrap up our episode here today. We’re not going to dive too deep into the movie, but if you want to hear us do that, or if you would rather hear our opinions on the film and not have to subject yourself to it, you are just going to have to tune in again next week. So thank you. I’d thank you, Liv, for being here.

Liv:

Thank You. Thank you so much for inviting me.

Jeff:

Absolutely. And we will see you again next week when we dive deeply into Special Unit

 

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Jeff:

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With strangers on the internet. Everyone is wrong. I just haven’t told them yet.

Transcript – Part 2

Jeff:

Hi friends, Jeff here. This month’s film and by extension, the next two episodes come with a big content warning ahead. You will hear on several occasions a harmful word colloquially referred to as the R word that has been used to invalidate disabled people for a very long time. There’s also an above average number of swear words in these episodes kind of related kind of not. While we have tried to avoid using the R word when possible, there are moments in this podcast where it couldn’t be avoided, and for that we are sorry. If you are not in a space right now to hear this type of content, this film and next two episodes might not be for you. That’s okay. Don’t worry. You’re not missing anything by taking a little break. Before we go on, we also felt that it was important to note that contrary to what folks may argue, the R word is absolutely connected to histories of medical labeling that have been used to invalidate the personhood of disabled people, and it is these histories that animate its use to this present day.

You cannot refer to someone or something as an R word without evoking this connection and perpetuated the belief that people with cognitive disabilities are less than saying, I didn’t mean it that way. Doesn’t change this what you mean pales in comparison to what it means to others and maybe even more importantly, what it presents as natural or uncontested willfully. Continuing to use this word makes you at best, complicit in ableism and at worst, a failure of a human being. Our languages are filled with millions of colorful ways to disrespect people, so maybe let’s commit to using words that don’t rely on de-legitimizing metaphors of our brothers and sisters, just to make a joke. Be nice to each other even if this podcast is really not about nice things. You are listening to invalid Culture, a podcast dedicated to excavating the strangest and most baffling media representations of disability. This podcast is all about staring into the abyss of pop culture adjacent films that never quite broke through because well, they’re just awful. So buckle up folks. The following content is rated I for invalid.

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I’m arguing with strangers on the internet not going out today because I’m feeling too upset arguing with strangers on the internet and I’m winning.

Jeff:

Welcome back to another thrilling episode of Invalid Culture. As always, I’m your host Jeff Preston, and I’m joined by my host victim Sarah, how you feeling?

sar:

Better than ever. How are you Jeff?

Jeff:

I am ready to become a cop.

sar:

Really? Today?

Jeff:

I already am, I think actually.

sar:

Are you Officer Sunshine?

Jeff:

I am actually Officer Happy, I believe is who I am personally. Yeah, and we’re not alone. We are of course joined once again by guest victim, Liv, how are you doing, Liv?

Liv:

I’m doing great. I am queer and disabled, so I am doubly heroic according to the rubric of this movie, so I am feeling my powers. I’ll let you know what kind of powers I get as a result of this intersection.

Jeff:

I think that makes you like a Navy SEAL. I think you’re special forces as a result. I think that’s the hierarchy. It’s like, yeah, I think that’s how that goes.

Liv:

I could just go to the army right now and tell them to let join because I’m a hero and they would let,

Jeff:

According to the Disability Fairness Act says that you must be allowed to join the army. I just want to put this out there. Army recruiting officers, please do not start recruiting disabled people. Leave us alone. We have enough on our plates, please. Thank you. So you might be wondering what we’re talking about and that’s okay if you do because you probably have never heard of a film called Special Unit. That is the movie we’re talking about this month. It is a Christopher Titus joint about a police unit composed of disabled people. So I’m sorry, can we talk about this movie? Are we ready?

sar:

Born ready.

Liv:

Yep, I’m here. I’m so glad that I’m not the one who has to recap the plot because I’ve largely forgotten most of it, so I’m grateful.

sar:

Pretty forgettable.

Jeff:

This was a bit of a struggle for me, I got to tell you, but here we go. Here is a special unit on a hundred, sorry, a one hour and 44 minute film broken down into three acts. Okay. Our film begins with Garrett Fowler, undercover cop slash alcoholic slash skull ring enthusiast getting in a little bit of trouble at work. A drug sting has gone terribly wrong in which Fowler decides to repeatedly shoot his partner in an attempt to maintain his fake identity as punishment for his incompetence and as part of a decade long revenge subplot of his ex-fiance, now current mayor of Van Nuys, Tara Small Fowler is forced to assist the force in complying with their obligations under the Disability Fairness Act, which requires the LAPD to hire disabled police officers. After a rocky hiring process and several unsuccessful attempts to get out of the job, Fowler eventually decides on four candidates Mac the wheelchair using conspiracy theorist who sometimes dresses like an army guy, Sophie, the little person with a short fuse, Morgan, the stuttering, but adept detective who apparently is getting into knives and Alvin, the autistic savant who quote knows everything, is an expert at hand-to-hand combat and has developed a scat fetish from Reading Hustler Magazine.

Liv:

It actually starts as a relatively competent cop movie. I feel the first, I don’t know, five minutes where that car is rolling up in the rain to the Everlast score, which I feel the need to bring up at the top of the episode so I don’t forget, Everlast was the guy who wrote all the music for this movie, which makes the score actually largely good. I don’t know how I got involved. I really think the music is great, so it actually, it starts off relatively, yeah, very atmospheric and there’s a cop car rolling up in the rain and Everlast is playing and it’s okay. I would get behind a shield episode that started like this for sure. It took me a minute to actually realize that the character of Garrett Fowler was crooked. It took me a little bit into the movie to realize that that was the point, was that he actually is dirty because it was like, oh, I get him shooting his partner to try and maintain the undercover ness of it all, but then it’s like I got a little bit like the wires crossed with what Fowler is doing and why at any given time, and I don’t know enough about how cops work to criticize any of it really.

Like, yeah, maybe this is how it all goes. Maybe there’s a reason why they can’t fire him. I dunno. They didn’t really come up with a reason why they can’t be fired

Jeff:

Tenure, I guess? They have police tenure I guess Okay. Before we go too far, I have to say this because it has been bubbling up and now dear listeners, I am a Canadian, I live in Canada, as does Sarah, so we might not know anything. I am 86% sure that the mayor has no influence on the police force whatsoever and that there is literally an elected person in the states who controls the police force called the sheriff.

sar:

Sir, I watched eight seasons of Dexter and the mayor was absolutely in charge of Miami Dade County.

Jeff:

Why was Tara Small, the mayor, why was she not the police chief?

sar:

Because the police chief is in good with the mayor. They’re the same role, they’re the same. I don’t know, it’s probably, I see that a lot in kind of buddy cop movies or even stuff like Brooklyn nine nine. There’s some really weird interactivity there between city hall and police

Jeff:

And that could happen, but it does seem weird that he seems to report to the mayor and the mayor also just happens to be his ex-fiancee from Yeah, I don’t

sar:

Think he’s reporting to the mayor. I think he’s reporting to his ex.

Jeff:

Yeah, well, yeah, sure.

Liv:

Which in and of itself, I wish as the resident American, I could actually clear some of this up for you guys, but I really, everything I know about the police I have learned from television shows, so I cannot actually, I don’t have any real insight into whether or not there’s a huge conflict of interest going on. The idea that they were going to get married at one point feels like a huge conflict of interest to me for their jobs. I don’t know because then isn’t the Billy Gardell character is he the sheriff?

Jeff:

I think he’s the captain. He’s the captain. He’s like middle management of the police for some reason. Yeah. Okay. Sorry that I could not let that go. The entire time I was watching this movie, I was like, why is the mayor essentially running the police department? Okay, that one,

sar:

There’s so many things we could shit on for this movie. I would not actually do that argument specifically with this movie because that is a huge buddy cop cop film, cop TV show trope that A, nobody is running the police force or B, completely inappropriate parties are running the police force. IE Batman, IE Dexter, IE Brooklyn, nine nine, okay. What I’m saying is Christopher Titus did not make up that trope. I don’t want to blame him for that one.

Liv:

There’s plenty to blame him for. We don’t need to blame him for that. We can take that away. I was so completely baffled by every single one of that actress’s performance choices that I totally missed the why is he reporting to her angle of it, because I was like, did he pick the worst actresses that he could find on purpose to play both her and her secretary? I don’t understand.

Jeff:

Well, so the mayor, the Tara Smalls character, and I’m blanked on her name now, but she is in the TITUS TV show. They actually have a past relationship and a lot of fans loved the fact that she was going to be in this. Apparently that was something that came out. I have no idea why I know those things, but I do now. Well, let’s talk a little bit about the characters. How did we feel about the hiring montage in which we got a taste of disability, raw and uncut?

Liv:

This is actually the only scene that I liked was the hiring montage. This was actually, there were no, I’m a liar. There are two scenes I actually thought were insightful in any way, and this was one of ’em, maybe not, as you said on the previous episode, Jeff, I think that Titus is a blunt instrument trying to talk about disability hiring practices, but I do, this was actually the one scene where I laughed because of the joke. I can mount a gun to the back of my wheelchair and control it with my mouth. There was this one particular disabled doctor, which happens to be my zombie apocalypse plan, so good on Titus for actually knowing that that’s what I plan to do, the zombies ever made manifested. I also love the split screen, both of the paralyzed gentlemen saying, yes, my dick still works. That I also was like, oh, that’s a real thing that’s relatable that are you working or are you fucking, are the two major concerns of the bloody public for disabled people that they meet randomly? So that was actually the only scene that I happened to was the hiring montage. Although the word offended is used too many times, the amount of characters actually saying I’m offended is very, okay. Okay, Titus, we get it. We understand what you’re going for here.

sar:

Jeff, do you think the gun on the wheelchair was an intentional or unintentional reference to Mr. No Legs?

Jeff:

I think it was fully intentional sequel. I would not be surprised if Christopher Titus has seen Mr. No Legs.

sar:

And he was like, we need one. We need the son of Mr. No Legs on the police force.

Jeff:

So what about the four candidates? How do we feel about our gruesome for some that gets drawn together in the end?

Liv:

Let’s just start at the start, right? I feel like these are all, with the exception of Morgan, I don’t actually think that I’ve seen a particular stereotype that Morgan, our candidate, which is with what is actually very clearly supposed to be CP, is based on, but the angry short little person seen that the character, the actor who plays Alvin is very clearly doing a rain Man, we’ve done that. They reference it in the movie. It’s like you’re not bringing anything different to the table with any of this. You’re not widening the scope even of stereotypes. To use the conspiracy theory vet thing, I have not seen with a disabled character before, but I have seen the conspiracy theory vet, which is a type of disability, and then the wheelchair user vet, which is a type of disability, and so they kind of just mushed it together and made a different stereotype and also if they had just used real conspiracy theories, I think all those jokes would’ve been much funnier. All those jokes where that character is talking about his beliefs. I think if they had just talked about Q anon for entire, that’s his whole shtick. That would’ve been so funny to me. All the made up conspiracy theories just fell so flat. I don’t know why they couldn’t manage to pull off that joke, but I don’t really think he’s doing anything different with these four characters. I don’t think we’re seeing anything that we haven’t seen.

sar:

Actually, and I wouldn’t have said this yesterday, but I’ll say it today. I actually like where he was going with the gang of hyperbolic stereotypes. These are the nth degree kind of disability superheroes drawing on the whole superhero cri culture thing to the nth degree lives totally right that one of those characters was clearly just rain man, just kind of thing. And I think what he’s doing with that, and it didn’t translate, was that these are all vehicles to making the point about their positioning in the narrative. He’s trying to make this wider point about Rainman didn’t have any other disabled characters in it. We were all just feeling bad for Rainman. So when he was saying, or when Christopher Titus in the last episode was saying, I made them the heroes. He was doing it in this kind of hyper positional way where he takes a bunch of these hyperbolic stereotypes of familiarity to able-bodied people and he positions them as not only the soul disabled person in the room. He takes that right away, but he also makes them actually heroic in that they took an American industrial problem, like endemic school shootings and they had the disabled people in whatever, hi jinx, funny ish way they came up with it. They did heroically save the students. So the fact that they themselves, the characters can be easily broken down as like, oh, these are shitty, tired, stereotypical characters that aren’t accomplishing anything for disability culture. I’m willing to give him the credit that he did that entirely intentionally. I think he was making a narrative point.

Jeff:

Yeah, I think he was trying to do that, but it was one of those things where it’s like he introduces the stereotype but he never subverts it. Not really,

sar:

No. He makes no attempt to subvert the hyperbolic stereotype. They play straight into it,

Jeff:

And I think that’s the issue. I wonder if he was also concerned that he didn’t want to do the whole, they’re introduced to stereotypical and then you learn that there’s so much more that they have a heart of gold and

sar:

And the inverse take for that, and I agree with that, but I think the inverse is some people just really are hyperbolic stereotypes, right?

Jeff:

Yep. Me. It’s me!

sar:

People watch movies with me and they’re like, wow, Sarah really is kind of a rain man resource for random film and cinematography facts. Isn’t that fucking weird? Yeah, I’m not very original. Some people are just fucking like that, and that’s why stereotypes sometimes die hard.

Liv:

This is one of the things that I think is kind of muddled about the film though too, because in the previous episode I made the point that I don’t think that Titus quite knows how he feels about his own characters, and so that makes the film a little muddy. The thing is, this is especially with the Alvin character, but also with, and God, I wish I could remember this character’s name, the character played by Mack who is the wheelchair using veteran, they are actually super crips, so Titus is trying to make this point about regular disabled people can’t get jobs. I think a police unit was a bad way to make that point because you do actually need a special set of skills. I don’t know how skilled you need to be to be a police officer, but I would assume that there are things that one needs to do in order to get that job, and so you’ve got Alvin who is a resource and who knows martial arts and who has all of these skills, who is an amazing marksman, all skills that would make him an invaluable asset to the police force in this context.

You’ve got Morgan who was a crime scene investigation whiz, which I wish we could have gotten a little bit more into why Morgan’s character knows so much about crime scene investigation. What was the other tip? You have the veteran character, Mac, I believe his name is who is a tech nut and who is able to hack things, so it’s this muddled point about, well, they’re not heroes, but they are, well, they’re not super Crips, they’re just regular people, but they are, well, we should treat them exactly the same way as everybody else, which apparently means calling them by slurs for their own identity that we would not use for other. It’s so muddled as to whether or not what this movie actually believes about. Well think

sar:

It’s unintentional, but I think the muddling is actually really interesting because we actually don’t know where to draw that line when we have 7,000 Twitter arguments about who gets to be a super Crip versus a normal Crip or an AB versus all the quid pro crow sub variance that goes down like six or seven levels. When you try to actually position yourself in a matrix like that, it gets really hard, really fast. I don’t think Christopher Titus meant to give this nuance to commentary at all about the positioning of disabled identity, but I think he kind of achieves it as a byproduct from having these hyperbolically stereotypical characters who then conform to different agencies of either being crip or being good at being a cop or having special skills that lend itself to multiple lenses in this kaleidoscope all happening at the same time while also being totally recognizable as characters to people who haven’t encountered these beings in real life. I think that’s genuinely interesting.

Jeff:

It kind of reminds me of, I think it might’ve been Leonard Davis, but I don’t remember a disability studies scholar.

sar:

Okay let’s do Leonard Davis.

Jeff:

I think it was Leonard Davis, and this notion of disability needs to be counterbalanced constantly, right? It’s like they have value

sar:

The End of Normal

Jeff:

Yeah, they need to have this counterbalance and that’s happening in this film, and it’s like that think that’s a sin of the film, which I think undercuts his argument of, well, I made them the heroes unlike others, and it’s like, well, wasn’t Forrest Gump the hero? Isn’t Daredevil the hero? Well, he was,

sar:

But he’s a singular hero.

Jeff:

Well, sure

sar:

Put the whole movie is vocalized on Forrest Gump and how fucking disabled Forrest Gump is, right? That’s like the premise of the film.

Jeff:

Of course, of course

sar:

Christopher Titus is saying, what if the premise of these people isn’t that they’re still disabled, but they’re all teaming up together using something more than they’re disabled?

Liv:

The question that I kept coming up against, and I think this is a really, really good, the fact, Jeff, that you pulled out, Christopher Titus is very singular definition of the R slur, which is you are behind where you should be, but you have an ability. I think that’s really what he’s going for with these characters in this film. They’re behind in some ways and they’re very, very advanced in other ways that make them suitable for this task, which I don’t know if that necessarily works for me. Like, okay, are they regular people or are they not regular people? What are you going for here? Are you trying to say that we should treat them as we would treat any other person, or are you only the ones that can get us what we need

sar:

In a certain context? Yeah, I think that’s what Jeff’s saying. He’s saying they’re both and

Jeff:

Yeah, and that’s all they are ultimately, right? They aren’t anything more than that and arguably and okay, let’s move forward on it because I have another point that I want to bring up for us. Sure. So despite Fowler’s early reservations, and I’m going to call them the special unit, they aren’t actually even a name in the film, but the film is called Special Unit, so I’m adopted it. The special unit provides their metal by immediately uncovering that Fowler is a dirty cop who has been accepting bribes all over town for years, something that will get him an extended jail sentence if convicted. The movie repeatedly tells you how many years in jail he will get for this. Fowler decides to cut a deal. He will teach them how to be real cops in exchange for them not reporting. Him. Training goes well with the cast of characters revealing that they all have special abilities, as we were saying, although in my opinion, it’s really only Alvin’s power that is relevant in any way. A romantic seed plot also emerges in which Morgan and Sophie begin to have feelings for each other, but it’s totally inconsequential to the point of the film. It may have only happened in a dream that Fowler had and it’s never addressed again.

Liv:

Yeah, no, I literally wrote it as a dream sequence. It’s literally a dream sequence. It’s a dream sequence sequence after which we get our third vomit joke of the movie because the idea of two disabled people in a sexual relationship with each other, it is so disgusting to the character of Fowler that he needs to vomit. Once he has thought of that, it’s fantastic. Yeah, good work.

Jeff:

So after determining that the squad is ready for street action, they’re assigned their first mission, which is to go to an elementary school and deliver a presentation, but oh, no. During the presentation, a drunk and angry father stumbles into the school with a loaded rifle planning on, I think killing his children, unclear. The school shooting is narrowly averted by the quick actions of the special unit who neutralize the threat after firing wildly into a gym and demotivated the children on the dangers of realities of America. The team is then celebrated at a press conference with the mayor where they’re made to wear costumes to hide their identities for some reason, and Fowler makes plans to get back together with his ex-fiance, the mayor.

sar:

Absolutely. I think the only relevant plot point for all of that was the sequence where they stopped the school shooting. Most of the plot, if you’re interested in talking about film or disability theory, is pretty much completely irrelevant, so I’ll just zoom right in on that. I think the most interesting part of the middle of the movie, besides the actual framing of the sequence, which largely leaves the actual violence element out of it, which I thought was interesting, the Fowler says at one point, I’m an asshole and nobody’s building me a goddamn ramp, which was a legitimately funny line, and I counted five lines that I laughed out loud at that were scripted to actually be funny, but B, it kind of gets at the heart of what this movie is trying to do, and when you put it back in relation to our whole conversation, it really is about normalizing a lot of things, but also doing that in the kind of pseudo American pie way where American Pie was trying to say, I think we should be allowed to put a woman in this movie who has a super revealing outfit and everybody doesn’t faint at the movie theater about it.

This movie’s kind of doing, I want to be able to say the R word and make fun of disabled people and everybody not get precious about it in the same way, and he’s taking that preciousness to kind of an extreme with like, okay, watch them literally save children from a school shooting. But the point is actually kind of relevant because we were naming all these examples, even when we were talking about the stereotypes where we are super precious with the disabled characters, it comes conceptually as a kind of default orientation when you’re talking about anything around EDI theory that you have to kind of handr a little bit and think about your word choice and your font choice and your sound choice and whatever the fuck and the truth is, even when everybody’s trying really hard to make position statements or FIM land statements or all this thing, we didn’t build the ramp. We just really wanted to sound like we might someday the ramp still not there.

Jeff:

Yeah. I also feel, and Sarah, correct me if I’m wrong, your question was why did the movie not end here? Why was this not the end of the movie?

sar:

Pretty much? I think the entire third act was irrelevant. The movie set out what it wanted to accomplish, and then they just put in a bunch of deleted scenes that didn’t really mesh or cohere with the original plot line, and they were like, boom, feature film.

Jeff:

Now I need to know because it’s driving me absolutely up the wall. Was the dad going to hit with his children or was he there to kidnap them?

sar:

We dunno….

Liv:

I think he was there to kidnap them, but that’s only because I’ve read another book about disabled people where there’s a father who kidnaps his children with a rifle. I literally was just going off of a different book that I don’t think is probably read, but I was like, oh, I’ve seen this scene before. But yeah, there’s no real clear idea.

Jeff:

The stakes go zero to a thousand in this moment. All the other stuff is like, oh, petty kind of whatever. Oh, it’s a drug deal. Oh, it’s taking bribes, it’s crashing cars. It’s all this really petty stuff. And then it’s like, Hey, what if a dad has killed his children on camera? Let’s do that. I was like, where? Whoa, that is an escalation.

sar:

This is going to give it more credit than was probably actually thought of. But if one of your main orientations with the dialogue is to try to get at the preciousness of how disabled people are treated, you could do something like do a super non precious shooting event to try to invert that dialectic and have a super serious gun laden confrontation as a way to interrogate that preciousness. Do I think that was intentional? No. Do I think that landed? No. It comes off as pretty random and a lowbrow joke in American culture. One that I agree with, I think the characters themselves crack a couple jokes about is this how we’re preparing the children of America? And that was kind of funny.

Jeff:

I’ll give him that one.

Liv:

I did laugh at the scene of all the children marching for the drill as they’re called for the active shooter drill, and they just know exactly what their places are. I thought that was very funny. I did laugh.

Jeff:

Yep. I got to say, I honestly think it would not shock me at all if this was actually the pitch where the pitch was, Hey, there’s going to be the school shooting. It’s this critique of American gun culture. Disabled cops are going to be the ones that overcome it, and then you build out the movie around that. That is a completely plausible reality. I have no evidence that that’s what happened.

Liv:

You can see the TV TV pilotness of it all in that scene.

Jeff:

Absolutely.

Liv:

It makes so much sense to me that this was originally going to be a pilot for television because you can see that’s the pilot. That scene is the pilot.

sar:

It plays like a less memorable episode of Criminal Minds, which is not a complement.

Jeff:

Right. No. Well, it’s in some ways, but no. Yeah, and I will say too, before the shooting happens, it also has, I would argue the closest thing to critique or critical satire in which the school teacher immediately devalues the police, the disabled police officers they brought in the school.

sar:

I did love the super liberal school teacher’s character

Jeff:

And that was maybe the only effective part of this entire movie.

sar:

I think that character proves that Christopher Titus is funny and I just need to watch something that he didn’t write two hours of not that funny material for because that character had just enough nuance into the realities of super EDI doesn’t build the ramp liberal education advocate where she just is so offensive but has such an air of confidence about that offensiveness that I was like, she’s perfect. If everybody was written like that, this might’ve actually been a good movie.

Liv:

We’ve all met that person. We’ve all met that person multiple times. I want to roll back a little bit because actually the scene before that one is the actual only scene that I actually thought was insightful and funny, which is the scene where they’re all attempting to enter the school and Mac is talking about, they’re all talking about how much school sucked for them, the characters who were born disabled or are speaking about their traumatic experiences at school and Mac, who is a disabled via, I assume combat is talking about No school was great. I was a homecoming king and I ran on the track team and I both had sex with my English teacher and my French teacher school was awesome. And then he can’t get up the stairs to get into the building and Morgan goes, call your English teacher and just walked away.

I cried. I thought it was so funny. I really thought that was extremely nuanced. Talking about the kind of hierarchy in disabled community, which is a thing I think about a lot. There’s a real hierarchy of who gets to be spoken about and who gets to share their experiences and who gets to be kind of the face of the movement and who gets the most opinion space. And I really thought there was a real moment there where I was like, oh, Titus is really on to something with that because you see the disabled characters having their own kind of internal struggles with each other and how they’re different and how their experiences have been different, and they’re not all just lumped together as it’s the disabled minority against the able bodied majority, and we all got to be in this. So you see them having this little kind of tip outside and then they get in and they have to confront the school teacher, and it’s all just like, we got to leave that shit at the door.

We got to, we’re all in this together because this lady is here asking if we can dance. We got to leave our petty squabbles and our differing opinions outside in order to confront this larger problem of this person’s perception of us, which I thought was so as an activist that that’s what I’m doing day to day to day. We have so many problems in the disability community with intersectionality and with really embracing all of the differences of each other and really being there for each other. And then it’s kind of like, but we got to get the ramp built, so we got to put the table that shit and we’ll worry about it later. And so there’s a lot of in-group problems that exist that we just don’t have time or it’s inconvenient for us to get to those issues amongst each other because we got to deal with people like that school teacher who I’ve met at least five times in my life. So I actually really thought that scene, I was like, Ooh, that’s really got something there. That’s really, I’ve been there. Okay.

sar:

Jeff, were you the cool child of your high school?

Jeff:

No, I was a disabled kid. I was not able to sleep with any of my teachers as a result.

sar:

I didn’t get to sleep with any of my teachers either. Does that mean that I can join the club?

Jeff:

I think you were disabled in high school, you just didn’t know it.

sar:

Oh, a hundred percent. That’s true. I was in denial at that point.

Jeff:

That was the issue. Now I’m with you guys. I honestly think this was the best part of the movie. And this brings me to, I think the central thing that I feel about this movie, which is that a majority of the movie is not about the disabled characters at all. It’s about Fowler. It’s about his relationship with the captain. It’s about him trying to become a better person. Fowler is the main character. The movie is at its best when the disabled characters are the stars of the moment, and they’re almost never the stars of the moment. Very rarely are they allowed to be the star

sar:

Couldn’t imagine that there would be a vehicle for that unit to exist without him. And a that’s probably true. So there’s that argument, but if you put that aside for a second and you go to argument B, what would this movie have looked like without Christopher Titus’s character? I dunno if it would’ve been the kind of ramp building utopia that we imagine, because Titus, especially in the latter half of the film, actually does quite a bit of advocacy for the characters who are being rejected at every turn. So there is a tangible arc of him doing nothing but calling them the R word and saying they’ll never be cops to an hour later telling all of these people with legitimate power. No, you should really give these people a chance. I’ve learned a lot here, and he’s trying to kind of simplistically apply these lessons in his now feverish Crip advocacy for his special unit team. So I don’t know if I agree he’s got too much screen time in a movie that’s supposed to be about disabled people as heroes, but in order to play out the fantasy that the disabled people have all that time, you kind of need his character, at least right now.

Liv:

Yeah, I agree. 1000%. Yeah. Yeah. I was actually going to say that this falls into another trope that I hate, which is the disabled people involved make the non-disabled person a better person via their just existing as. I hate that shit. But no, it does need to be there. And it is actually, I would say a surprisingly concise example of a character arc. It really does the growth and change part of it. I’m like, oh, yeah, okay, yeah, it’s there. It’s in there. So I think he kind of does need to be there, but again, I find it gets undercut in the second and third acts because he never stops calling them idiots. He never stops underestimating them. He never stops being, they don’t become his friends in any real way. So for me, it’s hard to tell the difference between Fowler and the character of his ex-fiance or Fowler and the character of the school teacher. We’re supposed to kind of set Fowler up with the special unit in opposition to these characters. The last line of the movie is literally him calling them idiots. And I’m just like, that undercuts your arc a little. I wouldn’t say that necessarily he has to be getting it perfectly right all of the time by the end of the movie, that would be unrealistic and would be precious. I find that wouldn’t be correct, but I don’t really feel that he develops relationships with these characters at all. By the end of the movie,

Jeff:

She literally vomits at the thought of them having sex.

Liv:

He vomits at the thought of them having sex, literally both my favorite and my least favorite scene in the entire film because it was about disabled people having sex, which is one of my favorite things ever so rad. And then it just,

Why did we need that joke? Why did we need that joke? I would’ve been okay with it adding absolutely fuck all to the plot if they had just left that scene in there. And no, he vomits at the thought of them having sex. He insults them at every turn. He says that, oh, I think you guys are definitely going to get me killed, but I’m still impressed with you, and so we’re supposed to be proud of him or something for going up against other ableist people. And I’m like, yeah, but you’re doing the same. And I think it would be different if the tenor of the jokes were a little bit different. If the Titus character was doing it in a different way, I wouldn’t feel like this is kind of all the same gag over and over again, just coming from different people. So I get the arc and I think he doesn’t absolutely need to be there, but I don’t know if the growth of the character for me quite sticks the landing. He does need to be the protagonist.

sar:

That’s where the tension, and we were talking about this a little in the last episode. I think that’s where the tension comes in between. He’d really like to be an advocate, but he also doesn’t want to do the preciousness thing. And oh, now I’ve learned this and this is how I’m going to speak to people that I’ve met, that met Meet X archetype, and how your voice kind of softens and you start talking about this and doing the land back statements and all this other stuff. And I think this movie was a really clear, intentional critique of that where he’s saying, I want to do the conversation that Jeff and I are having when Sarah gets in Jeff’s car because I’m not giving land back statements when we’re talking with each other. And I don’t even really think I’m putting anything on when I’m talking with him on the podcast, but I do feel that there are different personas you embody depending on your level of comfort. And that’s what we were getting at with the kind of in-crowd, outc crowd ideology. He made it really clear he wanted to do the private conversations that disabled people are having in the car with each other where they’re calling each other names and riffing. And I make a lot of really unfortunate jokes about my own suicide that I regret, but I still do, right?

Liv:

Yeah.

sar:

I’m aware that that’s wrong, but that’s still a joke. I make enough that people have started coming up with spray bottle jokes in return for when I start cracking those jokes. So there’s kind of a level there of the preciousness and the Darkness and the Al Bondness and the Louis c Canis that he’s trying to tap into. And if you’re not in his specific crowd of people that this resonates with either because they know him personally or they’re of a generation where this is funny or they’re of a geographical location where this is funny. We don’t meet all those circumstances and we are finding it polarizing unfunny. And I guess our commentary is, is there someone who meets all that criteria? But clearly there is his 16 friends find it funny and they found it funny enough to sit there and produce it.

Liv:

Yeah, I actually really, I want that movie though. I want that movie of the group of disabled friends kind of just being mean to each other and riffing. And I think that might be the commentary, Sarah, that you are making about, there’s so much of the Christopher Titus character in this movie and he doesn’t really need to be there, but I don’t know if a buddy cop comedy was the right genre for the movie that Titus is trying to make, which was

sar:

He trying to police? Funny. Oh, very nice.

Jeff:

Oh no,

sar:

I’m done. I’m out.

Jeff:

I cannot believe that we are this deep in, and that happened for the first time.

Liv:

Incredible.

sar:

I love it.

Liv:

I’m so honored to be here for this moment. This is so good.

Jeff:

So just like our podcast, this movie also needed to go a little longer for reasons that don’t make any sense. The movie does continue after this special unit saves the day that undercover sting from the beginning of the movie. Well, those bad guys are back and they’re now unhappy that Fowler is no longer going to be on the take. So a bunch of crime stereotypes sort of racial team up to kidnap Fowler, the special unit then flies into action attempting to track down Fowler’s whereabouts and rescue him. After arming up and make it a plan, the team will burst into the hostage scene. They will kill slash detain the bad guys and save Fowler. The ragtag team has grown into a real police force, and with that, the movie becomes mercifully to a close and that my Friends is special unit. There are lots of ways to measure the quality of a movie, but here at Inval culture, we have a completely empirical, scientifically validated methodology that we used, which we call the invalid culture scale. This game works a little bit like golf. The lower the score, the better it is, and we will determine whether or not this film wins the coveted Jerry Lewis seal of approval. So our first question, on a scale of one to five, with five being the least accurate, how accurately does this film portray disability?

Liv:

Like a 4.7? Can I do point gradation?

Jeff:

We have no laws

Liv:

Because here’s what I’ll say. I do think there are a couple of moments where I was like, oh, okay, that feels real to me. As I mentioned, the scene before they go into the school where they’re talking about their various experiences felt very real to me. The hiring process scene both in what happens and also in what it represents as trying to get hired as a disabled person, that felt very legitimate to me. The problem me with this movie is that I don’t think the win is that disabled people should become part of the militarized police system in this. I don’t necessarily think that that’s the happy ending where what we really want is to be a part of the system that could kill us at any moment. Obviously, Titus doesn’t really have a good grasp on, there’s a scene where Alvin has a meltdown and Titus shouts shoot him, and I’m like, oh, clearly Titus doesn’t have a good grasp on the police statistics of people having mentally disabled people having meltdowns who get murdered by police in this country. Cool, good.

So I don’t think that The Wing is, the crooked cop doesn’t go to jail, and the disabled people get absorbed and assimilated into the complex that hates them and kind of wants to kill them. I also, actually, I’ll give another half point for that montage. At the beginning, I really liked that montage over the opening credits about how difficult it is to get a job as a disabled person. So I’m going to give it a 4.7 out of five because there were a couple of little moments where I was like, okay, I think he’s got it. But for the most part, no, I don’t want to be a cop

Jeff:

Fair.

sar:

I think I’m going to go straight down the middle and I’ll tell you why I’m going to go 2.5 because I think I, Liv said there are about a thousand reasons why this movie is incredibly inaccurate to anything I’ve seen of the disabled experience. And obviously I can’t speak for everyone or anything at any time in every geography, but what I do think is that it’s extremely accurate to his Crip community and he never promised a movie that was going to resonate with everyone, and I think he’s actually made it very apparent that he wasn’t even going for that. He’s doing the Bill Burr thing of if this isn’t your thing, fuck off, and this is for us. I think the problem is that the US interpretively is really hard to quantify. You can’t quite tell who he wanted this to appeal to and who he wanted to be offended by this. And I think especially a lot of disabled people will find themselves in this kind of liminal space of, I’m pretty sure this is for me, but I’m feeling really uncomfortable right now, so I’m giving it a 2.5.

Jeff:

Yeah, so I’m actually splitting the difference. I had it down as a 3.5 almost exclusively because of the Elvin character. The Elvin character is the embodiment of everything that is wrong with how we tell stories about autism. Literally everything from the savant knowledge to the, I will hurt you if you touch me to the quote, our word strength stereotype, but this notion that people that touch with disabilities have some sort of superhero strength or something. But Alvin Tot was like everything wrong, everything wrong with that representation. And so while he maybe didn’t lean into stuff as much when it comes to the wheelchair user or the little person or cp, the Alvin character is just so brutal and not played by a disabled character. Maybe that’s why it’s so brutal. Maybe the other characters did play out better because they were disabled people there. They’d be like, ah, this doesn’t really track. And so maybe they should have hired an actually autistic person to be Alvin and maybe that would’ve been better. So I don’t give it a 3.5 largely because of Alvin. Okay. Our next question, on a scale of one to five, with five being the hardest, how hard was it to get through this film?

Liv:

I’m going to give it a four because it didn’t become painful until it got padded. I wasn’t fully, I really want to turn this off until after this school shooting scene. At which point, as we discussed, the plot just meanders and it doesn’t need to be that long. And at that point I was like, okay, I can’t know if I can do this. It was only really the last half hour that I was like, I really don’t know if I can make it through the last 30 minutes of this movie, because I feel like at that point I had gotten the movie. I was like, okay, I got it. I understand what we’re going for here, so I think I’m going to give it a four. Because it was the only in the last 30 minutes that I was just like, alright, I can’t with this. It’s gone from being unfunny and kind of boring to like, okay, now I’ve been doing this for almost two hours and pausing to take notes too. So it was even longer than two hours because I was pausing to write things down.

sar:

I’m going to give a five and I think I might’ve given the last couple movies a five. So this is not between Pandemic, it’s not a good season, but I found this really legitimately hard to finish. That’s my only criteria.

Jeff:

So I’m also going to give it a five. I was going to give this about a three and a half until after the school shooting, and at that point I literally wanted to put a fork in my ear. I was ready for pain, I just wanted to feel something again. And so I’m punishing this movie for the back half with a five. On a scale of one to five, with five being the maximum, how often did you laugh at things that were not supposed to be funny

Liv:

With five being the maximum? Yeah, I’m going to give it a one. Maybe even a 0.5. I didn’t laugh at. I think the only thing that I laughed at that maybe wasn’t supposed to be funny was the Alvin character Cold cocking Christopher Titus’s character in the Face, which I don’t necessarily know if it was supposed to be funny or not, but Punch Enable Us today. I dunno. I just feel like that we could have gotten, I did laugh at a couple of the actual jokes, but that was the only, I think it’s unintentional joke that I laughed at. Oh no, actually there are two. I also laughed unintentionally at the, he’s doing Pulp Fiction scene.

sar:

That was funny. That was a funny line.

Liv:

I was actually thinking about how much I believe that most of Quentin Tarantino’s filmography is just him wanting to say the N word with impunity and he can’t say it, so he makes the actor say it like a whole bunch. And that was a thing that I was going to bring up in reference to Chris Titus, just really wanting to say the UR with impunity and also the word mons for some reason, which comes up quite a bit, which is not a word I’ve ever heard, but okay.

Jeff:

Really? Oh, that’s an ooold school

sar:

Oh man, that was a popular one at my high school.

Jeff:

Yeah, that’s an old school mix of…it’s a tasty one because it’s got both the racism and the ableism going for it.

Liv:

AND the ableism

sar:

it’s a twofer.

Liv:

I did laugh at that unintentionally because I was thinking about Quentin Tarantino throughout the entire film and thinking, oh, Titus thinks he’s Tarantino. And then there is a full absolutely unnecessary pulp fiction quotation that goes on for way too long in the third act of this movie. And so that I left out intentionally,

Jeff:

I got to say the thought of Quentin Tarantino remaking this movie sends a shiver down my spine. Oh God. Because while I was not offended particularly by this film, I think if Quentin Tarantino remade it, I think I would be offended. Yes, agree. I think she would offend me.

Liv:

As I said, I was more offended by the cop again than the ableism actually in this movie. And I think that if Quentin Tarantine, this is something I’ve often said about Jos Whedon. I was trying to write a paper about disability representation in Buffy, and I realized there isn’t really a lot, and I’m kind of grateful for that because then I would actually have to find out what Joss Whedon thinks about disabled people, and I’m grateful that we’re spared from whatever his thoughts are on that. That’s me with Tarantino. It’s like, oh, we definitely have his thoughts on race. We don’t need his thoughts on ability at all. Oh man.

sar:

Yeah. We need to know less about celebrity opinions just in general. I am not waiting for my favorite celebrities to weigh in on genocide and their Instagram stories, anything. I really am not holding my breath for it. Okay. I want to go two point again and I’ll tell you why. Because if I was only speaking for me, obviously it would’ve been whatever the least funny is. But I think what this movie is trying to do around inappropriate versus appropriate humor and precious or anti canalization of what a script could be is actually really interesting. And this would’ve been a great in-class discussion, and I would not play this movie in class just to clarify, but if I did…

Jeff:

But why not?

sar:

Play any clip at random in one of your classes next semester? I dare you.

Jeff:

And I will get fired. Five hundred percent fired.

sar:

Yeah. You’re willing to sacrifice my career. No problem. Okay. I think what he’s doing around what gets you canceled or what you can and cannot say about disabled people is actually really interesting. Even if part of it is unintentional and we personally don’t find it funny, I am willing to believe there are communities, and there are Crips out there who probably found this movie funny, and I think if I were to take a stab at it, they would be 50 to 65 years old Republican white males from middle to South America. I think that’s where they are and what they do, and cops will love this, et cetera. There’s certain demographics that this is hitting for, and I think a lot of the references in this movie are quite dated, not only because Chris Tez is not a young guy. I’m quite a bit younger than he is, but if you had made those jokes 15 years ago and I watched this movie, I think I would’ve laughed more. I think I would’ve felt shitty about it, but I think it would’ve been funnier. And I think a lot of us have trouble admitting that. Yeah.

Liv:

Yeah. That would’ve been pre my radicalization, so I think would’ve left. I think if I was in college and I saw this, I probably would’ve thought it was very funny. Yeah.

Jeff:

I can actually answer this question. The reason you feel that way is because Christopher Tyson have been trying to make this movie for 10 years. So the script was probably written in 2007, 2006, and that makes so much more sense.

sar:

It really does. If you release this movie in 2006, I think it has the very American pie syndrome of you watch it now and you’re like, wow, I hate culture. You’re like, this is what’s funny at the moment kind of thing. And I’m willing to give it that credit. Just because it’s not funny to me doesn’t mean I don’t think there’s an audience for this movie. So I’m giving it a 2.5.

Jeff:

So I gave it a one because I didn’t laugh at the movie. I didn’t find it funny, shocking, particularly really funny, but this is like I’m complimenting the movie on this. There was nothing in it that was so absurd or silly to me that I laughed at it when I wasn’t supposed to laugh. Right. There have been a lot of movies that we’ve done, and that’s really this question is really trying to target those when films are not trying to be funny. They’re trying to be sincere, or they’re trying to be schlocky, and you just have to laugh. So absurd. This movie never actually transcended into that territory, which is possibly a compliment, possibly an indictment of the quality of this movie because I think that’s what it was trying to do, and it just never landed at it. So I am going to give it a one. Okay. Our last question, my personal favorite, on a scale of one to five, with five being the most, how many steps back has this film put Disabled people?

Liv:

Oh, this is the hard one for me, this is the really, really challenging one. I’m going to give this a 3.5 because number one, I don’t think that many people are going to watch it, so I really am not that worried about its cultural reach in the way that I would be something like a mile of foot, which everybody saw. So there’s that. I feel like I’m safe from the impact of this movie in a lot of ways, but I also, I want to give it kind of a middling rating because even after this, I do still have a lot of love in my heart for Christopher Titus, which I was really afraid that I was going to walk away from this movie and be like, I can’t support you anymore as the person who made this movie. I can’t in good conscience pay money to go see you. If this is the way that you think about people like me. And I actually really don’t feel that way coming out of this movie. I don’t actually feel like it sets us back.

sar:

I give it a two and I give it a two for a lot of the reasons I’ve already said. And so far as I think there is an audience for this movie, even if that audience isn’t me. And even if it didn’t resonate with me, it clearly resonated with other people, particularly people of X or boomer generations who I think might have more to say about this film than I do. I think the other thing to keep in mind was that he did use a crypt team and his mother was schizophrenic, and I think that’s really relevant when we’re talking about how he developed and produced this movie, and therefore its legacy in the culture because he is speaking from lived experience, expertise, and just because that expertise doesn’t match mine doesn’t necessarily mean, I think it’s not worthy of being part of the cultural cannon.

I think it tries to do, I would give it if I were recommending it in real life, like TG rating, kind of like PG parental guidance, but you need T theorist or therapist guidance after this film So if had someone like me or Jeff sitting there with you like, oh, that’s actually really funny because the point of the genre of parody is to do this and dah, dah, dah. That’s really annoying, but it actually makes the movie speak for some of the points that it’s not getting across. Or if you’re really struggling with your disabled identity and you’re feeling like you relate more to Garrett than the actual disabled people, that’s when your therapist comes in. Right? Because now you’re working on a lot of those self hateful tendencies that I think this movie is trying to make fun of and it’s just not landing two.

Jeff:

Yeah. Okay. I was the outlier a little bit on this one. I gave a four. And it’s not that I disagree with anything that’s been said, but I’m giving it a four not because of what I think Titus was trying to do. I think we have a good idea of what Titus was trying to do. I’m giving it a four because of what I think most average viewers will take from the film, which is that it’s fine to throw around slurs that you’re just being funny. That’s true. That disabled people all have unique gifts that accommodate or make up for their lack of abilities, that it’s gross when disabled people hook up. And also that disabled people hook up together. That it has to be like an interability relationship can’t be, or an internal ability can’t be outside of the community. I think that there are a lot of things that are running underneath this movie that I think a lot of people will understand and see because it’s hegemonic, but this is the hegemonic belief of who disabled people are, what we’re capable of, what we should be like. And so I’m going to give it a four, even though it wasn’t the intention. I think that people who watch this film and enjoy it, yikes. I don’t know that I want to be friends with that person, frankly.

So we have tabulated, we have calculated, can we get a drum roll? We don’t have a drum roll. I always say that we literally don’t have drum roll. On the invalid culture scale with a score of 38.2. We rank special unit as a crime may have been committed, the second highest score on our spectrum, which feels fitting.

sar:

Yeah. Honestly, I agree with that.

Jeff:

A crime may have been committed when they made this film.

sar:

Luckily we have a special unit here to address that because they’re cops.

Jeff:

Yeah, perfect. They could arrest themselves just like the cops do, right Whenever they do something wrong?

sar:

We have investigated ourselves and we have found no wrongdoing once again.

Jeff:

There we go. Okay. And that is our episode, my friends. Liv, thank you so much for coming and putting it up with us.

sar:

We love you.

Liv:

This was a gem of a time. Thank you guys so much. I can’t wait to come back.

Jeff:

Yeah, absolutely. And for our listeners who want to look at legitimate art, where can people find you on the internet?

Liv:

You can find me at livemomonpoems.com. That’s where my website, where all of my stuff is located. And you can follow me on Instagram at mammoneliv. All one word. No underscore. And you can also follow me on Facebook. I’m on Facebook and I’m very, if you want to hear that, just dates how old I am. But I’m very charming on Facebook if you want to reach out to me there. I think my statuses are very, very charming.

Jeff:

Oh yeah. Millennials and xillenials come and hang out with us on Facebook. Gen Xers two, we’ll extend the invite to Gen X.

sar:

Oh, that’s nice.

Jeff:

Boomers, I don’t know. Go back to MySpace. Alright my friends. So that is our episode. We are now going on a summer break because there’s only so much punishment someone can endure before they have to take time off. So Sarah and I, we will be going out into the woods. We will be watching. Okay. No, I was going to say we’ll be watching legitimately good movies and no, that’s not the case. I’m going to continue to feed Sarah the worst movies I could find.

sar:

That’s never once been the case.

Jeff:

Nope. So we will see you guys when we are back in September. It is our back to school edition of Invalid Culture and we have a doozy of a film lined up. So hopefully you all have a lovely summer or if you’re down under, I don’t know, have a good winter. I don’t know. I don’t feel sorry for you.

[Mvll Crimes theme wraps the episode]

Movie poster for The Hill

Overcoming is possible…with FULL. BODY. ROTATION!!!!

Sometimes it is hard watching bad movies over and over again so, this month, we’ve decided to get a little inspiration from the always exciting sport of baseball! Joined by special guest Derek Silva, co-host of the End of Sport podcast, we dig into the religious bio-pic of disabled baseballer Rickey Hill as he struggles to make the major leagues. While there was very little actual baseball in the movie there was a lot to discuss!

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Grading the Film

As always, this film is reviewed with scores recorded in four main categories, with 1 being the best and 5 being the worst. Like the game of golf, the lower the score the better.

How accurate is the representation?

Jeff – 4 / 5

sarah – 5/ 5

Derek – 4.5 / 5

Total – 13.5 / 15

How difficult was it to watch the movie?

sarah – 5 / 5

Jeff – 5 / 5

Derek – 5 / 5

Total – 15 / 15

How often were things unintentionally funny?

sarah – 2 / 5

Jeff – 2 / 5

Derek – 4 / 5

Total – 8 / 15

How far back has it put disabled people?

Jeff – 3 / 5

sarah – 3 / 5

Derek – 4 / 5

Total – 10 / 15

The Verdict

The Jerry Lewis Seal of Approval

Part 1 transcript

[episode begins with the trailer for The Hill]

Jeff:

You are listening to invalid Culture, a podcast dedicated to excavating the strangest and most baffling media representations of disability. This podcast is all about staring into the abyss of pop culture adjacent films that never quite broke through because well, they’re just awful. So buckle up folks. The following content is rated I for invalid.

Episode theme song, “Arguing with Strangers on the Internet” by Mvll Crimes:

I’m arguing with strangers on the internet not going out today because I’m feeling too upset arguing with strangers on the internet and I’m winning.

Jeff:

Welcome back to another thrilling edition of Invalid Culture. As always, I am your host, Jeff, and we are joined once again by our co-host. Sarah, how are you doing, Sarah?

sarah:

Really happy outside of academia. How are you?

Jeff:

Yeah, doing great. Inside academia, I’m still on sabbatical, which is why I’m doing really great. Oh,

sarah:

Outside

Jeff:

Still inside academia. Yeah. Yeah, the academia that is my closet and my brain. Now, we also have a very special guest joining us today because as listeners will know, it is May, which means that baseball season is in full swing, and I realized that we have never been inspired by a disabled athlete yet on invalid culture, and I thought it’s about time we got to do a sports movie, but I am not really, I mean, I like sports, but I’m not a sports scholar. Sarah, it turns out, is actually an expert in baseball. So that was good, but I thought we should get another expert, and so I thought we should bring in the star. I would argue of the end of sports podcast friend Derek Silva. How you doing, Derek?

Derek:

Oh, wonderful. Thank you for that. I’m also on sabbatical too, so I’m sharing your insider outsider kind of place in academia right now, but I’m happy to be here.

Jeff:

Yeah, it feels good, doesn’t it?

Derek:

It does. It’s refreshing. Just get out of academia if we can. Let’s just all do it.

Jeff:

Right? And then in our own academia, outside of academia,

sarah:

It’s a test run. This is before you do it for real.

Jeff:

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So Derek, for our listeners who aren’t deep into your cv, can you tell us a little bit about the work that you do?

Derek:

Yeah, yeah. So I’m a sociologist of sport. I guess what kind of brings me to this episode would be I’m also a critical media scholar as well. I’m not a scholar of disability, so you both will school me when it comes to that, but I do take a critical lens when it comes to the sports world, and I co-host the end of sport podcasts, which looks at sport from a critical perspective in terms of labor issues, issues of harm and violence in sport. And I also do that in my academic work as well. I guess I’ll give a brief shout out to my forthcoming book called The End of College Football on Harm in US College Football with UNC press, and that will come out in the fall.

Jeff:

Yeah, so, okay, dear listeners, we have a real treat for you here, not just our guests, although they’re lovely, but we have found ourselves a real beauty of a film. We are of course this month talking about The Hill. The hill, which is on Netflix..you can reach it on Netflix here in Canada. For those of you who have not watched the Hill, the Hill is described as thusly: Growing up in an impoverished small town, Texas young Rickey Hill shows an extraordinary ability for hit a baseball, despite being burdened by leg braces from a degenerative spinal disease. His stern pastoral father discourages Rickey from playing baseball to protect him from injury and to have him follow in his footsteps and become a preacher. As a young man, Rickey becomes a baseball phenol. His desire to participate in a tryout for a legendary major league scout divides the family and threatens Rickey’s dream of playing professional baseball. It’s very long description on the back of the box, but how would you say they did here on capturing the tone of the film?

sarah:

Poor given this is a two hour film and it features about 30 to 35 minutes of total baseball or baseball related scripting. So it seems the background makes it revolve around the trope of being a baseball prodigy, but he is really kind of a prodigy at wandering around hitting rocks and complaining about his family. And then there’s some baseball kind of peripheral to that

Jeff:

On the side and a space launch. There’s also a space launch shoehorned in for some reason.

sarah:

That’s true. I forgot about that

Derek:

There were quite a few kind of odd curve ball, pun intended, curve ball moments in this phone.

sarah:

Oh great pun.

Jeff:

It was good. Which of course we all know the faster it’s thrown, the faster it goes out. So curve balls are not good for hitting numbers,

sarah:

But he didn’t really seem to be terribly proficient at hitting fast balls. A point to which they break up repeatedly several times during the 35 minutes of actual baseball footage.

Jeff:

Now, the timeline for this film, I also wanted to bring up, because I think it’s phenomenal, we don’t have to unpack this now. I think we’ll unpack it for the next 18 years of our life. The timeline of the film is never give up hope of our film.

Yeah. Now let’s talk a little bit about who actually made this film, because what you might be thinking is that this film was made by Rickey Hill and that is possibly true. That’s one potential answer, but there are some other names that are attached to this, some names that are a little bit surprising. One of the first names I want to draw our attention to is Angelo Pizo. Angelo Pizo is a fairly big name in religious adjacent sports, bio pit inspiration films. You may have heard of some of these films such as Hoosiers, Rudy, Courage. These films are basically, they birthed an entire catalog of films that still continue today, and arguably, we would not have the hill if it wasn’t for these other films. I think it’s also important that we consider The Hill in the context of these other films because they follow a very typical formula that may or may not have anything to do with disability per se. They’re very focused on this sort of idea of the unexpected guy who overcomes the odds based on hard work and a firm love of Jesus. So I’m wondering, Derek, what do you know about these films? What are your thoughts on Hoosiers Rudy Courage?

Derek:

I mean, they’re that trope of inspirational sports film that’s intended to be the thing you put on at Family Movie Night, and I think that’s where a lot of the viewers come from, and that’s why this film, I think, is done particularly well on Netflix and not in the Box Office because I think it fits that genre very well. And it follows the kind of exact same trope as you’ve kind of laid out in terms of, oh, there’s something that’s made an issue. There’s the nexus of a kind of tension-filled relationships surrounding sport with the main protagonist and someone around them, whether that be their father in this case, or a spouse or the family in general or someone else, and all these roadblocks along the way, and every time something happens so that person gets over that roadblock to kind of reach their dreams.

And I don’t want to put the cart before the horse in terms of talking about the end, but I think the, the final sequence of the film really highlights for me many of the issues with this genre of film. It highlights the fact that the real problematic endpoint or the dreams that have been arrived at aren’t actually beneficial or should be viewed as dreams. In this case, the protagonist went on to play four years in minor league baseball, and we know Minor League baseball has some of the worst working conditions in all of sport before having to give up the game four years later because their spine finally fully succumbed to the issue. So I really think this film masked all of that and really played into the inspiration, and that’s why it fits well for Family Movie Night. I think.

sarah:

Derek, have you ever profiled a Demotivational sports film?

Derek:

I don’t think it’s out there, to be honest.

sarah:

Is the first Rocky properly demotivational?

Jeff:

Right?

Derek:

It could be. I mean, some films, if you take the real view, the end, I think Friday Night Lights as both a film and a TV series did well to highlight the reoccurring cycle of intergenerational socioeconomic issues, trauma, alcoholism, mental health issues that if you move past the stepping stones of like, oh, we’ve made it to the championship game or the state or whatever, we won a ring or whatever it is. If you get beyond that, you realize, okay, society is reinforcing all of these harmful things, and I think it did a decent job. I still think those, the film and the TV series were pretty inspirational in the end anyways, right?

sarah:

So maybe The Hill was an incredibly unsuccessful inspirational film, but if its rubric was how close it came to Million Dollar Baby or Friday Night Lights, it’s actually extremely successful,

Jeff:

Right?

Derek:

Absolutely. And there’s an entire genre. It’s now very much a formula, and I think highlighting Angelo Pizo footprint or hand prints is important here because it falls the same vein as Rudy and all of those other films that were mentioned, like just believe and everything. It’s the American dream, and that’s what this at the end is always about. It’s that if you try hard, you work hard enough, you and you are righteous and believe in God and you’re God-fearing you, fear your dreams will be reached. And in this case, that nexus between sport and religion was completely kind of played open for us to see. It was a movie about that

sarah:

God found Rickey Hill fit for minor league baseball. For the Montreal team,

Jeff:

Yes, for the expos, yes. Yeah, I mean, it’s interesting. I mean, the hail I think is very overt. It literally references multiple times David versus Goliath, but that seems to be also at the root of a lot of Angela Peso’s work. Rudy is literally a tiny man, tiny little boy going up against Notre Dame, and this is a big thing. But Angela Pizo, I did not know. This is not the first time that disability has played a role in his work. He also did a movie called Bleed for This, which was about a boxer, a boxer named Vinny. Vinny Pza. I’m terrible with names. Apologies to Boxer. Please don’t come and kill me. This is about a boxer who ends up a car accident, has a disability, overcomes the disability, goes back to boxing, basically. Yeah, we might be doing bleed for this in a future season. Derek, we might need to have you back.

Derek:

Oh yeah, invite me back.

Jeff:

Angela Pizo also wrote one episode of the TV show, knots Landings. He broke this episode two years before writing Hoosiers, which seems really off brand to me, and so I had to break it up. This film has two other full writers though and possibly many more that were not credited. We also have Scott Marshall Smith, who’s also a bit of a name. He has written things like Men of Honor starring Cuba “Somebody sucked that Baby’s Dick” Good Jr. If you don’t know that, look it up. Also, Robert Downey Jr. Is in that one. Scott Marshall Smith also wrote the score, which stars Edward Norton, Robert De Niro, Marlon Brando. So there’s a bit of star power here, and the last listed writer is a guy named Bill Shain who hasn’t really done a lot. He’s written one of the short, also wrote a documentary about a street racer slash Vietnam War vet who partners up with an LA deputy slash pro racer and they end the fe between the Crip and the blood.

I guess they were successful. I don’t think that’s happening anymore. So it was good. So that’s sort of the writing team as we understand it. In terms of the director, the director is a little not really known. I did not know this director previously. His name is Jeff, not me, different Jeff. Jeff Celentano. He’s worked in pretty much every facet of film has been involved in a ton of spinoff movies in the nineties. So he directed American Ninja two, the Confrontation and Puppet Master two, but did that under a different name under the name Jeff Weston. He is now a screenplay writer, director, and active teacher at the Performing Academy in Life Forest, California. A lot of his films are sort of a mix of action comedy. They tend to be pretty B-list kind of made for tv. He has a recent focus, however, in biopic redemption stories, and so I think that might be why he was tapped for this film. Also, a lot of his films are about stark cross lovers with gang or mob affiliation that unfortunately not a factor in this film. I wish. He also has a real interest for psychotic killers in several of his movies included Bosco Heat and Under the Hula Moon, both of these feature characters dubbed as psychotic killers or murderous psychopaths that need to be overcome within the text. But we can finally talk about the thing that we all want to talk about, which is Dennis Quaid.

sarah:

Absolutely.

Jeff:

This film stars Dennis Quaid. Do I need to introduce Dennis Quaid? Do people know who Dennis Quaid is?

sarah:

I think you do, because in your notes you introduced him as the Star of Soul Surfer, and that’s actually Anna Sophia Rob.

Jeff:

Well, it depends on how you watch it.

sarah:

So I often confuse those two individuals. They’re both impossibly hot and completely charismatically controlling on screen.

Jeff:

See, some people watch Soul Surfer for the surfer. I watch Soul Surfer for the father.

sarah:

It wasn’t Soul Surfer’s Family, it was Soul Surfer.

Jeff:

Yeah, it was Soul Surfer’s Dad, the real hero. Dennis Quaid obviously has been in a million, literally maybe a million things any given Sunday stands out. Another sports film also, I always forget this, he was in W Herb, he played Doc Holiday in Wyatt Earp, which I don’t know how I would forget something like that. But more importantly for this podcast, he was also in a film that haunts my pop culture and disability class at King’s, Johnny Belinda, which is an old film of phase that comes up a lot for whatever reason. So what are our thoughts on Dennis Quaid folks? Where are we on the qua verse?

Derek:

So I think I shared this story with Jeff offline, and when he asked me to watch this and comment and come on the podcast, he told me The Hill. So I read just very briefly about what it was before saying yes, and I thought to myself, I was like, I wouldn’t be surprised if Dennis Qua is in this film. It just kind of seemed like age appropriate for him in that character’s role in the role of the father as well. It just seemed maybe this is just like the rookie, the film, the rookie kind of, and I just see it. I am not surprised. I also said an or a kind of related film draft day, which isn’t about disability at all, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Dennis Quaid was considered for the role in Draft Day as well, and it ultimately went to Kevin Costner. Those two seem interchangeable when it comes to these types of roles. So I was super unsurprised that he was in it, but it’s also kind of jarring because very, very big name for a seemingly not big kind of, this doesn’t seem like a big budget film or anything like that, and kind of quickly taken out of Box Office and put on Netflix. I don’t know if that’s an indication of Dennis CO’s career. I don’t know. I have no idea, but I was kind of surprised.

sarah:

I think he might’ve just liked the script, which my head Canon was actually written by Rickey Hill and then was just edited and substantiated by actual screenplay writers. But if you get the guy who’s a semi-successful gospel singer to play your Come to Jesus, I’m rejecting the church in favor of the Church of Baseball narrative. It’s not just a fan cast. He probably read that and was like, I would love to be this guy. I want my name on that. And then it became the Hill,

Jeff:

Right? Right. He was like, I didn’t get the Oscar for Soul Surfer. Maybe I can get the Oscar for the Hill.

sarah:

Follow it up with my Church of Baseball Prodigy Epic. Yeah,

Jeff:

Yeah, that was the issue, very likely. So Dennis Quaid, of course, plays the Hard thumping Bible daddy, which I was going to say is a fairly one note character. I think there’s two notes to this character. He’s a bit of a loving father. He also is an abusive father, so 1960s.

sarah:

Yeah, I think there were some pretty heavy editorial decisions there around the historical profile of Dennis Quaid’s character.

Jeff:

Yeah, yeah, we will definitely have to talk about that. Yeah,

Derek:

I hope I have some thoughts on that as

Jeff:

Well. Yep. Okay, so we also have Colin Ford. Colin Ford would be the other sort of star arguably of this film. Colin Ford will play, I was going to say an older, older Rickey Hill, a teenaged, Rickey Hill High School senior Rickey Hill, Colin Ford. I found this fact interesting. Entered the entertainment industry as a 4-year-old model in Atlanta, which I find, I have no idea what that means, baby models, man, they’re everywhere. He’s also been in a ton of TV shows. You probably, however, recognized him as Dylan me in the film, we bought a zoo. If you are the type of person to watch that film or possibly as Steve Danvers and Captain Marvel, which he may have watched, he also did two very early two thousands Mormon films. There were historical films about the Mormons called The Work and The Glory, and anytime I see a Mormon, I want to talk about it. So there it’s calling forward. For our listeners who were in the disability verse will maybe recognize him from Dumb and Dumber. When Harry met Lloyd, he was Lloyd Christmas in the sequel to Dumb and Dumber. He also has done voice work in Family Guy, and he was in one episode of the Netflix hit series, Dahmer Monster, the Jeffrey Dahmer story.

sarah:

Oh, is that the daher that most people shortened to just Dahmer? Correct. Because of common sense conventions? Yeah.

Jeff:

It is officially Dahmer hyphen Monster, colon, the Jeffrey Dahmer story

sarah:

Silliness, the one that didn’t get permission from the witnesses to make most of the screenplay about the witnesses, that Dahmer slash Monster slash Jeffrey Dahmer story,

Jeff:

Which was made by the guy who did Glee, an American Horror Story, which also has some really fun disability politics. So yeah, it’s all interconnected. All interconnected. Last but not least, I have to bring this up because it’s going to play a role later. Joelle Carter is also in this. She plays Brie’s mom. She’s had a fairly impressive acting career, most notably appearing as Ava Crowder in the TV show. Justified. There’s another kind of coser in just right. Am I making that up? I think so. Is that Kevin Costner? Is it just

Derek:

Honestly mostly with Dennis? It could be. It could be either. It could be both at the same time,

Jeff:

Both just interchange. Yep. Also it within films like High Fidelity and American Pie too. So that’s sort of our cast of characters. There are a series of other characters that are unimportant. Okay, so some production notes about this film. This movie, it should be noted, was in production hell for years, largely it would appear held up by Rickey Hill himself, not settling on the right director for the project. According to history versus hollywood.com, over 40 directors were considered for this film over the span of 17 years. Ano was eventually selected at the recommendation of his brother. So the story goes that his brother was in a hotel lobby and he overheard Rickey Hill talking loudly publicly about not having a director for this film, and Jeff Tino’s brother leaned over and said, I got the director for you, my brother. I have no idea if this is true, but I find this hilarious.

Rickey has publicly stated that his intention for this project was to inspire. He says on his own website, I hope audiences find inspiration in their depiction of my life and that it offers encouragement to anyone with a physical disability because loving what you do is the key to a wonderful life. We can confirm Rickey’s family was quite poor while growing up. In some interviews I’ve heard it stated that they ate cat food. In other interviews, I’ve heard it say that they eat dog food to survive. Per the end of the movie, Rickey Hill does eventually sign a pro contract with the Montreal Expos, RIP, but he never played in the majors. He quit several years later due to injury. A local newspaper article written by Sally Kroger does say that Rickey has been through 49 surgeries in his lifetime, living most of his days of chronic pain, but never let it stop him from his dreams. He’s broken nearly every bone and has been in three near death car accidents where ribs and his fever have been smashed. His skull was cracked, and one wreck resulted in a year long concussion. In the last accident, troopers were surprised to find he was still alive. Why is the hill not about the car accident?

sarah:

That’s true. My other question, if you’ll indulge me for a second, was I do like that they admit he lived most of his days in chronic pain. He is got chronic illness, he’s got permanent disability, but I’m literally struggling to recall more than two or three scenes that even referenced the chronic illness. So if that’s your movie’s premise, wouldn’t that have taken up more of the screenplay?

Derek:

Absolutely. Not only did I notice that as well, but I think it was particularly interesting how the only time the disability crept in was when it was an obvious manifestation of getting in the way of something that he was supposedly dreaming of. That’s the only time or wanted even when he went to kiss his partner, the reunited with the long girlfriend from when he was four years old, which is also a little bit creepy, but also that’s a side story they’re going to kiss for the first time, and that’s when you see the back pain. That’s supposedly been always happening, and then you don’t see it again for the entire film, not

sarah:

When he is doing the big wraparound swings,

Jeff:

Full body rotation, Sarah, full body rotation.

Derek:

Okay. I don’t think, I am shocked that the actual script writing had full body rotation in the 10 times that it did

sarah:

Full body rotation.

Derek:

It just seems like there was probably a better way to write that dialogue than full body rotation every time.

sarah:

I felt that same thing about just about every single line of dialogue. I think whenever someone spoke, I was like, there had to been a better way.

Jeff:

You would think,

sarah:

But there wasn’t,

Jeff:

But no, but no, the last production note, I will say, so this movie was set in the sixties slash seventies, mostly as I like to do, I counted. We got four cripples in this text. The word cripple was used four times. Was that more or less cripples than you expected when you first started this film?

Derek:

Far fewer for me, to be honest, considering the time I expected

sarah:

I

Derek:

Texas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just the whole scene seen, but yeah, yeah. Far fewer than I.

Jeff:

Far fewer. Okay. So we’ll give it a passive grade maybe on that one. Okay, good. Good.

Okay. Now, we of course have our own opinions about this film strong and maybe not so strong and definitely silly, but we are not the only ones. There are legitimate people in this world who write critique. Then there are more important people in this world that write critique. So how has the Hill fared critically? Well, as you can probably imagine, critics have not been enamored with this film. It currently sits with a 44% on Rotten Tomatoes from critics, how it holds a dazzling 97% fresh from over 500 verified audience members, meaning that it is a better movie than Alien, only 94%, and Lawrence of Arabia only 39%. It similarly has a ton of perfect scores on IMDB and Amazon. Most of these positive reviews talk exclusively about how great it is that this movie has no sex or swearing. So take that for what you will.

sarah:

It was God’s perfect film.

Jeff:

Yep. That’s what made it great. Five stars, no sex. I don’t fully know what you thought this movie was going to be if you went into it beginning line. I hope there’s not a lot of sex in this film.

sarah:

You know what? I’m going to stand up for the viewer on this one. I was just speaking to my friend the other day. I was watching, I don’t even remember what anymore. I think it was Immaculate, the New Sydney Sweeney movie, and I said, I think we’ve taken the turn away from Cinema Bashfulness way too far. I think we need to bring back some of the bashfulness that was originally in cinema because as not a sex haver, as an asexual, I don’t like any of it, but I find myself regularly having to sit through 10 uninterrupted minutes of either foreplay or full on sexual action, and I keep having to ask myself, even if I was a sex Haber, what is the purpose of this scene being longer than about 30 seconds? And it’s endemic at this point. It used to be a flag for HBO, and now it’s a flag for modern cinema and television.

Derek:

Yeah. I mean, I can always get, I’m with you. I don’t understand the sort of fetishization of sex across cinema and in, I think in this case, it tells the interesting story of who’s actually watching this film a little bit more. A hundred percent. The people who are watching this film are Go Hard Christians. I don’t know. That’s speculation, I should say.

Jeff:

I think it’s pretty fair speculation. Explain to you why that is in a moment. Okay, so let’s hear some critique here. So Raven Brenner running for the Decider. This is what they had to say about the film. The movie story is cliche and rather preachy, but it isn’t bad. Rickey’s story isn’t important and engaging. Whenever viewers aren’t being weighed down by the pastor’s repetitive prejudice against his family and community,

sarah:

I’m often weighed down by a pastor’s repetitive pettiness toward community.

Jeff:

Yeah. I was wanting to hate this review until the ellipses Raven really wanted me over with the dot, dot dot. I was like, is this important? Is it engaging

sarah:

The depths of his hatred while proclaiming God’s love?

Derek:

Yeah.

Jeff:

Yeah, yeah. That was pretty, yeah. Carla Hayes similarly was not super impressed writing for culture mix. Carla says, the Hill is a poorly constructed faith-based biopic about disabled baseball player. Rickey Hill, this long-winded and preachy drama leaves big questions unanswered about his life,

sarah:

Such as when he was disabled, which was apparently not all of the time,

Jeff:

Or also his 18 million near death car accidents.

Derek:

The runtime on this was close to two hours or maybe even more than two hours.

Jeff:

It was over two hours.

Derek:

This was over two hours. Yeah. It did not need to be that long. And the fact that we know very little about Rickey’s life outside of baseball and his father, it’s shocking for a film of that length.

Jeff:

Now, rotten Tomatoes user, Kathleen agrees, and I’ve got to read you this. This is what Rotten Tomatoes user wrote. The character portrayal of Mother seems inaccurate. I believe her roots were Jamaican, so mother did not look Jamaican. Also maybe by choice. The life after baseball did not say Rick had continued in his father’s footsteps and nowhere, even in Wikipedia, doesn’t say anything about marriage. Children, a lot of unanswered info. Now, I read this and was very confused because I think we could all agree Rickey Hill’s mother in no way seems Jamaican in this film. No. Now I looked it up and there is a Ricky Hill with no E, R-I-C-K-Y, Ricky Hill from Britain, who is I believe, a soccer player. His mother is Jamaican and his father is Indian. But otherwise, I have found no evidence anywhere that Rickey Hill’s mother is Jamaican. So with

sarah:

Kathleen not confused that Rickey was also playing the wrong sport for the entire

Jeff:

In a different country.

Derek:

Not a sports fan. Not a sports fan.

Jeff:

Kathleen did answer with a lot of unanswered info. One of them being, when did he switch to soccer?

sarah:

Also moved to the uk.

Jeff:

Yes. And his father was also Indian,

Derek:

And nothing about accents then. It’s a little bit shocking.

Jeff:

Now, of course, these are professional criticisms and professionals. I mean, east Coast elites, they don’t really know what’s going on in films. The real reviews we can find in the comment sections of Amazon and IMDB. So let’s hear what real Americans, real people, they’re probably American, but who knows? Real people have to say about the Hill. First off, we’ve got Rotten Tomatoes user, Lori, I love that. It’s all first names on Rotten Tomato. It’s very personal. Rotten Tomatoes user. Lori gave this movie a five out of five and said, quote, wonderful, clean God-honoring movie. It was also a movie that was true to life and one that my friend and I enjoyed, but also we’re able to discuss and apply to our everyday lives. So the question I have for you is, have you discussed this with your friends and what are you applying from the hill to your everyday life?

sarah:

The Hill taught me that if I want to succeed as per dreams that seem on their face unachievable, I just need to possess the power to pause or entirely interrupt my disability at the kind of pivotal moment when he is banging out Homer after Homer after Homer and his back’s not hurting. So during my dissertation defense, I just had to have the innate ability to dial off my schizophrenia for three to three and a half hours, and with that, my dreams were achieved.

Jeff:

Yeah, overcomeable purely over accountable.

Derek:

I mean, I haven’t spoken about this to a soul other than you two. So in terms of that, but I guess you’re my friends, so yeah, so you’re my friends. So I guess that is one thing, and in terms of yes, what I’m taking out of it, it’s that for some religion truly is the opiate of the masses, and it can overcome everything and it can make life just fine and dandy. Also to echo what is with power of God, yes, with the power of God and with hard work, you can just overcome everything, including a supposedly debilitating thing that is every day affecting you, but we don’t really see it at all, and all of the kind of consequences and day-to-day issues are not really represented. But you’ll get the girl, you’ll get the job, you’ll get everything you want.

Jeff:

You’ll get Montreal,

Derek:

You’ll get the Montreal Expos

sarah:

…get the Montreal Expos. This was kind of a bitter crip community take from me, but I couldn’t help but notice that in that pivotal scene where he is begging the agents to give him another shot, even though there was a rule stipulated five minutes prior that said, please do not beg the agents to give you another shot, A, they made an exception for him because he is special and his disability is probably special, and B, he still whiffed that opportunity. But even excluding all that, all of it only transpired because I guess God loves him, and he could just miraculously turn off all of these odds that made the movie so inspiring, and I sat there with my arms crossed. Wouldn’t that be nice way to go, Rickey Hill?

Jeff:

So you never gave up hope, as the tagline says, right.

sarah:

I just got to hope harder.

Derek:

Yeah, just got to hope harder. Yeah. That’s the answer. Hope

sarah:

That’ll get me tenure, right? If I just write to everybody and I say, I just have a lot of hope and God on my side.

Derek:

I didn’t meet any production for the last 10 years, but I hoped I did, so I think I deserve.

Jeff:

Yeah, I would say, I think one of the things that I definitely took away from the movie is the importance of a hat. Wear an investor. If you have a man with money who’s circulating in the background, anything that’s possible, surgeries, training, get it onto teams. You got to get a money guy standing up

sarah:

To your abusive larger than life father.

Jeff:

Yeah, you need a money guy. You definitely need a money guy that runs throughout. For

sarah:

Sure. This movie actually might’ve been more interesting, had it centered on his angel investor slash coach. I would watch a two hour movie about how this guy finagled Rickey Hill into the position he got him in.

Jeff:

Yeah. Who is essentially running an auto shop slash wrecking yard, I believe. Yeah.

sarah:

He was a part-time professional baseball coach.

Jeff:

Yeah, absolutely. Okay. So Amazon, Amazon user Shield court gave this a three out of five title with great movie proofing. All things are possible. Good movie for families to show children. You can do anything in life. If you want it bad enough, you can succeed. Did Rickey Hill succeed?

sarah:

No, he didn’t. That’s kind of the central irony

Jeff:

Of the movie. Harsh, but fair.

Derek:

Yeah. So many, or a couple years ago, June Lee from ES PN broke a news story basically highlighting all of the horrendous working conditions that existed in minor league baseball, horrendous. That caused extreme deprivation in terms of socioeconomic status, home insecurity caused some mental health issues, physical health issues amongst players, and that just in 2022, finally, finally stimulated the minor league baseball, minor league baseball as a whole to start providing housing just simply somewhere to live for Minor league. So by having that end scene, oh, he spent four years in minor league baseball. It seems like dreams were made, but no. Okay. So Rickey went and worked for four years in one of the most brutal working condition areas of sport that we know borderline. That’s not professional. You can say they’re paid. So that’s simply not professional baseball, and it certainly isn’t the major leagues. And then it ended with an injury that ultimately rendered impossible to play. So did Rickey succeed? Certainly, certainly not objectively not, but this movie hides that fact completely.

sarah:

On a scale of Amazon warehouse to iPhone factory, where would Minor league baseball sit?

Derek:

Ooh. I would say it’s probably closer to the Amazon factory where they probably bean count literally everything. And if they’re not there for practice, if they have to go to the washroom too many times they get fired, that type of thing. Wow.

sarah:

That’s really fascinating context to add to is hope will achieve exactly what you’re looking for. Stories. Yes.

Jeff:

Right. So you’ve heard of Angels in the Outfield now, while peeing myself in the outfield,

sarah:

Turns out he took a really arduous route of applying for grad school

Jeff:

Right

Now. Okay. Our final review, this one’s a long one, you’ve got to indulge me, but it’s a ride and I could not, so this is an IMDB review, which is a great place for reviews. This is from EMDM md, I believe. This is just like that person smashed their head on the keyboard md. They gave it a 10 out of 10. I love this movie is the title. Okay. I thought I would like it since it has Dennis Qua, I actually loved the movie. It’s so refreshing to see a realistic movie with good actors and no cg. I thought the storyline was interesting, and I didn’t even realize the movie was over two hours. I’m not usually in for a long movie, but this one kept my interest. I just really liked Dennis Qua in this type of role. See, it was excellent, and all the actors were great in their roles. If a movie is going to have a sport in the background, I prefer it to be baseball because that’s the only sport that I like at all. I just love the character Red and whoever played them was so entertaining. I’m 55, and that’s how I remember old men acting and comported themselves when I was a child in the seventies. I enjoyed the historical setting, was quite accurate. I saw some things that were a little off, but overall it was excellent.

sarah:

I love this review because it admitted straight up that this movie was not even tangentially about baseball.

Jeff:

They got it. I love that. They’re like, if there’s a sport in the background, I’d prefer it to be baseball. The

sarah:

American sport. Yeah.

Jeff:

Yeah. The only one that they like at all

Derek:

At all. Emphasis.

sarah:

I also really liked that he pointed out that there were some historical inaccuracies, probably the most glaring one being that the fundamentalist mid Texas sixties preacher was not beating the shit out of his wife. I couldn’t stop bringing that up.

Jeff:

That is the thing that Sarah could not stop bringing it up. The thing that the people on the internet cannot stop bringing up is the fact that the car that he drives was released right around the time of when he was driving it, and yet the car he’s driving is like a 50-year-old beater, a beat up car, and that really upset people on the internet.

sarah:

Interesting. People love pointing out

Jeff:

They couldn’t handle it. That broke the realism for some people. Yeah.

sarah:

Yeah. Avatar was basically real life, but the shade of Blue James Cameron used actually was not released until post 2012. So we know that at least that part of Avatar was inaccurate.

Jeff:

Not accurate. No. I think we all know that the Navi hadn’t become water tribes until well after the 15th century split.

sarah:

Yeah. Thank God. Someone pointed that out.

Jeff:

Multiple people talked about the car, which, cool. The other thing I wanted to talk about, okay, there’s two things I wanted to talk about. Thing number one, this mention about no cg. I just want to do a real quick start temperature check. How were we feeling after he broke his ankle on a sprinkler and then they showed it? That was pretty wild that they showed it.

sarah:

Maybe a 70. No, he said he was 50 something, but grew up in the seventies maybe he thought that we do actually break actors’ legs for the bit.

Jeff:

Yeah. Well, better back then, back when you actually killed the actor and they died on set, it was better. Yeah.

sarah:

Yeah. War movies were just massive casualty fests.

Jeff:

Yeah. I don’t know if you know this, but Tom Hanks did not die at Saving Private Ryan. Yeah. It breaks everything with the movie.

sarah:

I’ve been memorializing him for years.

Jeff:

Well, and then the other thing was this question, this thing about how old men acting and comported themselves when they were a child in the seventies. Okay. I want to know what you think this person was referring to.

sarah:

I already told you. I think he’s referring to corporal punishment

Jeff:

That you believe that’s the lament

sarah:

Sixties Texas? Yes.

Jeff:

Yeah. Okay. But they loved that. They loved that part.

Derek:

So this review loved the fact that there was corporal real punishment?

Jeff:

That’s what I’m wondering. He says, I’m 55, and that’s how I remember old men acted like comported themselves.

sarah:

I’m hearing him say he really liked the dispositions of people like Red who played the baseball recruiting Phantom and Dennis Quaid, who plays the preacher father because they’re both extreme fundamentalists. Nothing that isn’t excellent is good enough, and all of those traits, the one that you’re missing there is what happens when something is less than good enough.

Jeff:

Right? Yeah. Yeah. That stood out. It’s funny, I think particularly as Sarah and I were watching it, we were talking a lot about they just outright abuse. The movie doesn’t hide by any means, but I mean doesn’t exactly hide.

sarah:

They dance around it

Jeff:

Quite a little bit. A little bit, yeah. Okay, so that’s what people on the internet say. Apparently, if you are an official critic, you did not like the movie. If you were into movies that did not have swearing or sex, you love the movie. That’s sort of the line. So let’s do sort a little round table here or sort of general impressions of the Hill.

Derek:

Yeah, I’ll start. Yeah, happy to start. In general, I think it was just that stereotypical cookie cutter inspirational film that is really about the American dream that chooses to do so through sport, through a tangentially related depiction of sport. It was boring, straight up, just boring all the way through two hours. I couldn’t believe that I was still watching this, to be honest. And I think it’s because of the, there’s no nuance to that story about the American dream. There’s nothing there. It’s a story that we’ve been told over and over again. So we think something is there, and that’s, I think partially why people, a particular niche of movie lover loves this film because they love seeing kind of that American dream over and over and over. Take it from sport, put it on film, put it on banking, put it on whatever story, whatever David versus Goliath story that you can get.

In this case, I think in the first 30 minutes, I actually, I had some hope for the story because it seemed that this was going to be more of a story about how the influence of religion is kind of dying and the influence of sport is growing. That dropped off completely, completely after the first 35 minutes. So I’m actually interested in the first 35 minutes. The movie was boring. It had a lot of weird things that happened, and I think the big takeaways, it was a failed opportunity to actually discuss the kind of true intersection between sport and religion as offering what Karl Marx would say, opiate of the masses, ways to deal with the shit that is capitalism, which was put right in front of us in this film. But it ultimately falls short in exploring that intersection in depth, and it could have done so through a true representation of disability. It could have done that. It was right up there. It was like the perfect down the middle strike that anyone could hit a home run and they just failed to even pick that up. And I think that’s the ultimate failing of this film and why it led to two hours of like, okay, is this film done yet? I’ve seen this film 30 times.

Jeff:

Yeah, yeah.

sarah:

Derek, this is why you’re God’s favorite sports theorist because it is wild how parallel I am to your review. But if you take out religion and you put in disability, that’s how I felt about the film. So I was just looking at it with my lens and you were looking at it with your lens, and I was just continuously frustrated by the mistakes they were making, even to the point of pettiness, if he gets up to the plate and I’m noticing that he’s not struggling at all, because this would not be an opportune moment for him to be struggling, which I bitch about constantly with goodwill hunting, but that’s a mental disability when it counts. There is no disability whatsoever in this film, and the central premise of this film is your ability to pass is absolutely central to whether or not you’ll make it in life, and I think there’s a really interesting relationship between the age cohort that likes this film and that premise. Those things go together. So anybody who was brought up for 60 years to believe, yes, your ability to pass absolutely decides whether or not you get to succeed in society. They fucking love this film because it proves that premise.

Jeff:

Yeah. I got to say, I mean, we’ve watched a lot of bad movies on this pod. This one for a religious film just felt far more soulless than much of what we’ve watched. This thing was so empty from start to finish. There were so many scenes where I think that the rocket launch scene is such a prime example because it’s like they had seen October Sky, that Jake John Hall film, and they were like, we got to recapture the magic of the hill folk going outside and trying to see the shuttle when it goes overhead. So okay, we’ll have them watch the liftoff, and it’s like, oh, get it. It’s the sixties. There’s just so much of that where they’re referring to all of these other cultural tropes, these existing scenes for movies that they’ve smashed together into a pastiche to try to show something that’s familiar and understandable, I think, to the audience as opposed to doing what people actually want from biopic, which is give us the nitty gritty of someone’s life. Give us the dirt, so to speak. There was some dirt here, but a lot of it was made up, which we could get into a little bit later. But unfortunately, we are all out of time for this episode. Oh, no. So if you want to know what actually happens in this film, you just got to come back next week, brothers and sisters to get the true story, or at least the story as told by Rickey Hill about The Hill, the story about Rickey Hill. See you next week,

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Part 2 transcript

<episode begins with a mash-up of young Rickey Hill saying “Full Body Rotation” and screaming>
Jeff:

You are listening to Invalid Culture, a podcast dedicated to excavating the strangest and most baffling media representations of disability. This podcast is all about staring into the abyss of pop culture adjacent films that never quite broke through because well, they’re just awful. So buckle up folks. The following content is rated I for invalid.

Theme song, “Arguing With Strangers on the Internet” by Mvll Crimes:

I’m arguing with strangers on the internet not going out today because I’m feeling too upset wing with strangers on the internet and I’m winning.

Jeff:

Welcome back to another thrilling edition of Invalid Culture, part two of The Hill, the baseball movie that you’ve all been waiting for. As always, I am your host, Jeff Preston. I am joined co-host. Sarah, how are you doing?

sar:

Always amazing. How are you, Jeff?

Jeff:

Pretty good. How many dingers have you hit so far today?

sar:

400 today. How about you, Jeff?

Jeff:

  1. I haven’t actually strapped on my legs yet. I’m hoping to get some full body rotation after this pod.

sar:

Full body rotation. What about you, Derek?

Jeff:

Yes, ma’am.

Derek:

I think I lost count after 16.

Jeff:

Okay. That that’s pretty common. I mean, 16, 200. It’s all the same in the bigs, my friend. Absolutely. Yeah. Derek Silva, thanks you for coming back. I’m glad you accepted a return to this challenge.

Derek:

Oh, happy to be here. I’m excited for part two of this conversation.

Jeff:

Okay, my friends, I think it’s time we got to talk about what happens in this film. The Hill as told by Jeff Preston, our story begins in 1960 something rural Texas where a young Forrest Gump, sorry, Rickey Cricket, no wait. Rickey Hill is blasting some rocks at gravestones with his perfected major league swing, sassy Child Bride and MLB Doping Investigator Gracie Shan confronts Rickey claiming that a cripple will never make the majors and suspects that the only way he can hit so well is because he’s Chean Rickey, son of a poor Baptist preacher just loves hitting dingers everywhere he goes, including blasting two through the front windshield of cowboy hat enthusiasts and local angel investor Ray Clements. Unfortunately, the Hills are almost immediately uprooted from their home when their pastor father is run out of town by a rabble of drunk angry hicks who wish only to consume tobacco while hearing the good word.

Approximately 30 movies, sorry, approximately 30 minutes of poverty and preaching. Later we finally get our first glimpse of actual baseball. Rickey and disciplines now settled in a different rural Texas town, stumbled upon a group of local boys playing some backyard ball and Rickey wants to join, but oh no, there is no place for robot boys in baseball says local full-time pitcher, part-time hooligan dubbed the flamethrower. A proposition is made if FU can hit a pitch thrown by this young phenom. The Hill brothers will be allowed to play in dramatic fashion after whiffing on two pitches. Rickey overcomes his feeble legs by destroying his leg braces, screams full body rotation, and blasts one into the outfield. The crowd goes mild.

sar:

I just noticed when you were summarizing it, the kind of simplistic parallelism the film itself makes between if you can hit against this really hard pitcher at 10 and then again at 16 we’ll allow you to play. And then the end of the film, spoiler alert, he’s trying out for Muff Red and he has to hit against their most competitive pitcher that’s being recruited. And I didn’t realize that until you were just summarizing now, and I was like, huh. Well, that was obviously entirely intentional and it brings up some interesting film theory things you could say about the point of parallelism or whether there’s any kind of bian relationship between where he starts and where he finishes. But I think all of those conversations are giving the film more credit than the probably simple premise of look how many times he’s being asked to hit a ball to fuel his future.

Derek:

Yeah, I mean, I think the first act of the movie set up what was the problematic premise of the movie, which we talked about in the last episode with this sort of, if you just work hard and you have this sort of Protestant ethic as a sociologist Max Weber, or sorry a male Durkheim would call it, as long as you have this kind of Protestant ethic, you will be able to succeed in life and succeed in a life that is a capitalist life, succeed in a life that they’re also depicting and they’re showing the viewer the really poor conditions of capitalist life, of precarity, of socioeconomic deprivation, of alcoholism, of tobacco and other forms of addiction and really highlighting those things. And then that’s setting it up as that can be overcome as long as you just turn to God. And in this case, the father being the pastor, it all kind of played into that religion trope or the religious movie trope that as long as you live a righteous life, everything your dreams, your hopes will be made possible.

And what I noticed in the first half is it really set up this moral or a series of moral quandaries, if you’ll put it on the part of, not Rickey, but his father James, which I found interesting in the first bit. I was actually intrigued. So the fact that when he was giving his sermon and he’s looking at people who are smoking and people chewing tobacco and then he makes the decision that that’s something wrong, that’s something that you should not do, and he calls it out. Okay, so it seems like cigarettes, like tobacco is being used as this sort of moral, I dunno, moral compass issue. I was intrigued at least to see where that went. And not to put the cart before the horse, but I think in later acts we see that falls flat and I can talk about that in the future, but I think the first act, I’d sum it up with their opportunity, there was opportunity for this film there presented and whether or not the rest of the film actually is just a repetition of that first act or if it actually builds on that. I think we can get in this conversation.

sar:

I think you’re right that Durkheim would’ve loved this movie, especially the kind of continuous unrelenting precarity narrative and how starkly it was contrasted against this kind of chosen one epic of Rickey Hill, which time would’ve been all about that.

Derek:

Yeah, well, any functionalist, and let’s be real, even in contemporary sociologists function, they seem to be like the same people who are writing reviews for this film.

Jeff:

That’s true.

sar:

He’s the core audience.

Jeff:

Well, I mean the father literally is a Protestant preacher. He’s a Baptist preacher, right? Yeah. Okay. I got to be real. When I started watching this, I thought what was being set up here in the first half or the first third, I thought they were trying to set up this notion of there is a corruption in the outside world, whether it’s the corruption of tobacco, the corruption of white sport idolatry, the corruption of, dare I say ableism. I thought that there was this notion of their family is this pristine unit that is struggling to live right in a world that is otherwise corrupted. So they live in poverty because the capitalist world doesn’t acknowledge the value of good preaching and good family, for instance. It felt like that’s where this thing was going, and spoiler alert, it does not, dear listener, that is not where this goes. I think you’re right

sar:

Though that it does intentionally set up the idolatry arc because of that scene with the baseball cards,

Jeff:

Right? Literally. Yeah, right. It’s like you’re like, who’s your God? Mickey Mantle. Yeah.

sar:

They went as far as exclusively drawing that example, and then I was like, oh, that was actually really good. And then they never brought it up ever again.

Jeff:

Right. And so I don’t know if this is a matter if this is perhaps, maybe this is where a talented writer, if we can go so far as to say Angelo Pizo is a talented writer. A talented writer has come in and said, let’s lay some foundation here, and then it just didn’t get picked up on or it got cut out in edits. I mean, this movie is super long already or is this a matter of, these are just things that Rickey remember happening. He’s like, oh, I remember when my dad got kicked out of that church because he harshed on people smoking and I remember getting yelled at because we had baseball cards. What’s really unclear? It’s like were they trying to build some thematic element here or is this literally just moments that he remembered?

sar:

Yeah, you could give it the bildungsroman angle, but I think especially if you have a talented screenplay writer doing the baseball card scene, which was fairly well thought out, and for people who don’t want to watch this, it’s that he and the Rickey Hill and his brother are trading very, very old baseball cards. This is the sixties of very famous players that they idolize and when the preacher father comes in, they try to hide the cards in their Bible. So then the father knowing that something’s up, opens the Bibles, finds the baseball cards and gives them this whole rant about false idolatry and how horrible it is to hold these people on a pedestal. The kind of central irony of that is that it’s a preacher telling them to do so. And if you’re not fundamentalist, you can fairly easily kind of start asking questions about, well, what’s the difference between listening to my dad, the preacher who’s been kicked out of multiple churches and listening to these baseball phenoms who are not trying to tell me how to live my life? And I feel like you can’t set up that rant being delivered by a preacher without the second half later where Rickey has the realization, oh, maybe my dad is also a false prophet, but he never does. So it could be that Rickey himself has never had that realization and he asked that bit to be taken out because it’s disrespectful to his father.

Jeff:

I mean also the fact that at the beginning of the film, it’s like don’t idolize baseball players in a film that’s about trying to idolize a specific baseball player. Yeah,

Derek:

Yeah. I mean also just I’ll pick up on two points then. I thought that the character Rickey Hill was actually not that narcissistic to use. I think we can get into what that term means, but his father actually was, his father was the center and always put his emotions, I’ll never forget the scene. Well, this is the one scene that really struck out to me, struck me, and it’s when he’s about to beat his eldest son for forging the signature, and I think we can get into that as well, but he’s about to, and what holds him back is his own realization and his own emotion, and then he put the emotional labor on his Sunday, get away from him to give him a moment as if he’s the one there that needs the moment. And he did this in several ways. So I think that picking up on that false idea, that would’ve been amazing. I agree completely. That would’ve been a way in which this story could have been redeemed later on, and that just wasn’t picked up on at all.

Jeff:

And I think that what the movie’s trying to do really badly is it’s trying to show the father, I hate that I’m going to use this phrase liberalizing, that the dad is becoming more liberal generous as he goes. And so he’s like, okay, right. If I tell people to stop smoking in church, I’m going to lose my job again. So maybe I can let that slide and then it’s, I’m not going to let my son play baseball. Okay, I’ll let that slide. I’m not going to watch him play baseball though. Oh, well, okay. I’ll let that slide. And so the whole movie is this downward trajectory in some ways of a preacher giving up on his morals and giving up on his view of the world, which in some ways is a tragedy, but it is pitched in this film I think is being proposed as a good thing that the father is becoming more open-minded and is becoming a better father and a better preacher.

Derek:

But it seems to me they kind of fail in that though, because one of the penultimate scenes, one of the penultimate scenes that Dennis Qua is in, his wife, his assuming wife who works at home brings him his food and he instructs her to put his plate down as if he controls what’s going on. So if it makes me question if that’s the arc, because if that was, he wouldn’t do that. He’d be like,

sar:

I think it’s much more likely that they were setting him up to be just as much a false idol as all of the baseball players. He grew up falsely idolizing, and the only reason I can think of for why they would take out the other half of that parallel because 50% of a half is a fairly significant part of the hole is because Rickey didn’t like it

Derek:

And it can’t be a success story at the end. It can’t be, oh, he made it to the minor leagues. He’s a success. It simply can’t. If that’s the case, if the story is about false idols and it is about change and reflexive thought on the part of both Rickey and his father, it can’t be like a overcomes everything story. You’ve got to be like, oh, well there’s still deeply problematic issues here and I didn’t win and I have this debilitating pain and all of these things that we’re just kind of side skirted.

Jeff:

Yeah, pushed off to the end credits, but we’re getting ahead of ourselves. Let’s take a step back. So on the heels of Rickey’s Sandlot moment pressure is now mounted for him to try out for the local youth baseball league. Unfortunately, as you can probably imagine, Rickey’s father believes that baseball is the opiate of the masses and would prefer his son focused on a legitimate career becoming a poverty stricken pastor like his old man. This will then set up a clear tension in the film, Richy believing that God put him on earth to hit homers and his dad’s belief that baseball is too dangerous for his un people son and distracts from the worshiping of JC after a near full-blown belt beaten of his brother for forging a parental permission slip, Rickey eventually convinces his father to let him play and he is well on his way to the majors.

The film now jumps forward to Rickey’s senior year where he is officially a baseball superstar on the high school circuit. His child, Brian Gracie, has stumbled back into his life ready to immediately restart their childhood romance and the scouts are lining up to see him play. That is until tragedy strikes after one again, face it off against the flamethrower and coming out once again, notorious Rickey will have a tragic incident, slippery and falling on the nemesis of all out fielders an in-ground sprinkler system breaking his ankle when evaluated by a local doctor, it’s discovered that not only is Rickey’s leg essentially ruined, he also has the spine of a 60-year-old man caused by a rare degenerative spinal cord disease. Rickey may never play baseball again and worse still, he might not recover in time to play in an open MLB tryout coming to his town in two months time. But friends, it gets worse. God does not have an HMO and so Rickey cannot afford his life saving surgery.

sar:

Alright, don’t tell me to back up and then present an hour and 50 minutes of the film. I want to go back way back in that to when he is still in high school because I think there’s a really interesting moment here that is wasted and I like how you phrased it as baseball is the opiate of the press and I know that Derek was talking a little bit about that in regard to religion in the last episode, but if you use baseball as the opiate of the masses, A, you’ve got the cool religion angle because of his problematic father and his problematic family and they’re problematic Winnebago Baptist Church, but also when he gets to high school, you introduce all of these figures besides the angel investor, Ray, whatever his name was that come in to the Baptist setting and start kind of vehemently trying to stand up for Rickey and offering accommodations and all of these things that we associate with good allies than disability theory.

And I was like, okay, that’s actually really getting interesting because they’re introducing all of these ways to try to intervene on the central tension because a lot of people not degrade, but maybe dislike films like Goodwill Hunting and Precious, where the central kind of conflict between ex teenager or young adult and ex adult that’s extremely abusive and oppressive is just not realistically overcomeable and that seems to be one of the driving forces of this movie. This kid and his brother and his mother and whoever the fuck else just do not hold the power to overcome this larger than life preacher. And the film comes ready with answers to that and these guys are so quickly forgotten in favor of this prodigal narrative of his ability to hit Homer’s alone by itself will cause him to absorb himself of all previous circumstances and kind of in turn trivializes the narrative of allies helping out when you need accommodations, legibly or not for disability. So they kind of built it up and then smashed it all in the same 20, 25 minutes.

Jeff:

Yeah, that was one thing that actually that I will am going to give full props to this movie. I like that. Although there are moments and where it’s like the Rigley Hills show of lot of this movie is about how it takes a nation or a village to raise Rickey Hill and Rickey Hill couldn’t…

sar:

There was a lot of advocacy here

Jeff:

Without a lot of support from all intergenerational support and internal and external family system support. And I’m like, that to me is the small town experience that I had growing up with a disability in a small town. That’s what I remember is it’s about the community wrapped around and coming to support. So I’m like, okay, thumbs up to that and maybe a tiny thumbs up. I mean, the movie starts out very heavy with Gracie’s father is an abusive drunk dick. He beats the wife and he beats the kid and he’s terrible, but that’s not Rickey’s dad. Rickey’s dad is a good preacher man, and then by the second act, we actually do get this a version where it’s like, no, he was full on going to whoop that brother in front of everybody. And so I was like, you know what? I’m going to give the tiniest of credit, I think to this film actually engaging with masculinity, fatherhood and abuse at this moment in America. It sort of did try to talk about it even if it didn’t talk about it. Well, and even if it backs away a little bit and it’s like, okay, no, no, don’t worry. He didn’t actually beat him with the belt though, which it’s like, well, what about when the cameras weren’t rolling?

sar:

He totally did. Yeah.

Derek:

Yeah. And I mean I think the end thesis of the movie being that as long as you work hard and you are God-fearing that things will overcome, it was always going to hide all of the things that allies have to do or that people have to rely on in order to deal with the alienation of advanced late stage capitalism. And it was again, the missed opportunity for that to be discussed. It told the story of, okay, mark said religion is the opiate of the masses. I would argue religion simply is not any longer, at least in many advanced capitalist societies, that actually things like sport are the opiate of the masses and you can watch it. You can sit on a Tuesday when you’re come back from your shift work and deal with your shitty job and shitty boss and shitty colleagues and the fact that you own nothing that you produce and you can just crack open a Bud Light and watch the blue Jays face the lose. Yeah, lose against the nationals or something. Not only are we dealing with that, but I think that understanding of society relies on this genre of film,

sar:

And I’m saying this mostly to rile up Derek, but going to your point, and I do mean this if we’re going to say that something like professional sports is an opiate of the masses, I wonder what you’d then think of people treating X sociological phenomenon as sport. So politics being treated like your favorite sports team, watching your current favorite genocide unfolding and treating that yet another sports team. Do you think this film is getting in the way of that at all, or is it substantiating just sports?

Derek:

It doesn’t problematize that at all. It doesn’t problematize the fact that we in a society are massively polemical and polarized and every way and that we treat everything. There’s been a sport ization of everything that if you’re a liberal, that’s your team, that you’re going hard for that team as if they’re not talking about genocide as if they’re not actually engaging in colonial, settler, settler colonialism, ongoing genocides that are ongoing right now, that there’s way more at stake. And I think part of the argument, the theoretical argument that I would make in my work is that yeah, sport is replacing things like religion in terms of being the way in which we deal with the alienation of shitty advanced capitalism. But I don’t mean to trivialize that. I am not trying to make it seem like sport is just another one of those things. No, I’m trying to actually make the claim that there are a bunch of different things that are making us truly despise one another through and do what capitalism does, which is pit everyone against everyone.

Sport is one of the ways in which we do that, but also we’re seeing politics does that. I live in rural Ontario and I see fuck Trudeau things happen and I see more Trudeau bumper stickers than Toronto maple leaf or Buffalo bills or anything like that, and I think you’re spot on to make the connection and again, an opportunity for this film delve into that a little bit and just nothing, not even, and I mean sport historically and still contemporarily has that is only positive. People approach sport as if it’s only this positive thing. It doesn’t have these kind of negative consequences. They don’t see

sar:

The jingoistic layers that kind of support how it works.

Derek:

Exactly. They uncritically explore, look at sport. It’s just like, oh, it teaches teamwork, it teaches leadership skills, it keeps you healthy. It’s all good for society, but it doesn’t look at all the ways in which it reify social inequality, exclusion, and is an imperial project for instance. Right.

Jeff:

And destroys bodies literally destroys bodies in this film back to disability

Derek:

Absolutely destroyed and there’s literally one of the most popular sports in the world is absolutely intended to ruin your brain, period. Is that football? Yeah. No, the end goal of that game is head trauma and once you look at it like that, you can’t unsee that it’s about staying injury free, which means not getting concussed because that’s what the entire sport is premised on other sports are,

sar:

But yeah, the premise of the sport is running into each other as fast as you possibly can. How do you only sustain three concussions per career? Maybe three concussions per game.

Derek:

Yes.

Jeff:

It’s important to note that there was also a question there though. It’s like, wait, is it football or is he talking about hockey or is he talking about boxing or MMA or Oh shoot. There’s a whole lot of others that also have those same kind of conditions. That’s true.

Derek:

Elite professional sport. I tell people, and I learned this from my colleague and co-host of them, the sport, Nathan Coleman Lamb who said this to me, and I can never pay him enough to because he’s kind of changed my view. The entire project of professional sport is injury prevention.

sar:

May God bless you, Nathan.

Derek:

That’s it. It has nothing to do with skill it nothing. Because if you can’t play, you will never be in the professional. You will never, which is Rickey. Yes, yes. It’s Rickey and thousands, thousands of others. Yes, but you’re right. Yeah.

sar:

Okay. Wait, do I have the quote right? The entire premise of professional sport is prevention of injury.

Derek:

Yes.

sar:

And if we’re translating injury only…Jeff knows where I’m going with this. If we translate injury nly, it is completely antithetical to disabled people playing anything at all.

Derek:

Exactly.

Jeff:

Yeah. Well, this is where I think if you want to get real funky with sports, it’s like, so what does it mean? What do the Paralympics mean? And a lot of people are like, okay, that’s a circle life in square. Okay, but what does Special Olympics mean? Then? What does it mean to build a game or to build a competitive sport where competitiveness is a part of it, but winning isn’t necessarily the top five objective of this type of design of sport and how does sport change when the fundamental roots of it are shifted or if it’s built on different foundation? But that is a whole other podcast.

sar:

You don’t want to talk about the epistemology of sport today?

Jeff:

Well, I think we’re going to continue to, in fact, because our listeners probably want to know what happened to Rickey. We left him on a bit of a cliffhanger. Whether or not Rickey’s legs were about to fall off is where we left off. Okay, so let’s forge ahead. Now, as you could probably imagine based on this podcast, the local community rallies around Rickey launching Operation Rickey Hill, kind of lazy. Brandon donation bins start to pop up everywhere. The local community raises $2,000 in nine weeks, which, okay, I don’t want to throw any shade on a rural community. I’m sure $2,000 that that’s a lot of money back in the seventies. Okay, but come on, do you really love this man? Rural Texas? Of course. Professional

sar:

Fundraiser, Jeff Preston here to hit and dingers about their fundraising ability.

Jeff:

Those are rookie numbers because they raised $2,000, but they are $4,000 short of what they need for the surgery with hope, almost completely lost cowboy hat wearing Angel emerges. Ray Clemens is back and ready to finance the surgery. Rickey goes under the knife after some debate with his father, and we are treated to a lovely recovery montage as Rickey goes from the hospital bed to the baseball diamond. But will he recover in time for the tryouts? Yes. After a miraculous recovery, Rickey is ready for tryouts and fully intends to show that he is the best homer hitter in the world. At the same time, he absolutely still has the spine of a 60-year-old and is cut immediately because he is not able to run, which is apparently a central still in the sport of baseball, you kind of have to run dejected. Rickey storms off, throws his bat and glove away and drives off in his beat up incorrectly aged vehicle.

But Rickey, he ain’t known quitter. This is the hill he wants to die on storming back, get that in there. I’m sorry. Storming back into the tryout and completely against the rules that were just laid out. Rickey demands that the scouts allow him to hit home runs as many homers in a row as you can, and if he is successful, that he be allowed to play in the big final tryout game later that night. For reasons that I don’t understand, they agree to this condition and Rickey begins to blasted Homers out of the stadium and not just out of his stadium, but into the stadium next door, nearly assassinated pro scout, Red Murph. Impressed Red Murph now lays out a challenge. Rickey will prove himself by playing DH for both teams in the big game, and if you can hit off of every pitcher, red will recommend him to the majors. Amazingly or not, Rickey does just that. He goes into the final game, plays for both teams and hits off of every single mustache, handlebar, mustache, hooker in the game. He gets hit, he gets back up. Rickey has overcome and is certified as the greatest baseball player of all time, or at least good enough to be signed by the eighties Montreal Expos and never play in the Natures Good, blessed, good Night. The movie is mercifully over about time,

sar:

Right? Yeah. I felt every minute of those two and a half hours.

Jeff:

Yes. I’ve never been so thrilled for the concluding song to start playing, which encourages you in a very folksy turn to just rub a little dirt on it. Rub a little dirt on it, brother. Well, I’ve scot you down. Rub a little dirt on it.

sar:

Yeah, that’s advice that upper middle class people give to people in permanently precarious positions because that’s generally worked for them, given that all of their problems were really easily surmountable,

Jeff:

Rub a little dirt on it or have $8,000 surgery. Those are your two options.

sar:

Angel funded of course, and that Jeff and I watched these films together because nobody makes us laugh more than ourselves and each other. So when we were watching this, I called it about the halfway point. I was like, if they’ve made this film about how the DH designated hitter position was made, this is actually an awesome premise because if it’s because of a disabled person, I actually love this. I want to know if that was why DH was made. It was not. They dismissed this at the beginning of the third act, and DH is already a well-respected position, albeit only for a few years. That year before this was…

Jeff:

That year! The year that this is set in is the first year that Major League Baseball has a dh.

sar:

It wasn’t because of Rickey Hill.

Jeff:

It wasn’t Rickey Hill

sar:

Would’ve made this one point better for me if this was the story of how we invented DH

Jeff:

Man. Okay, so what you’re talking about right now is an incredible third act in which Rickey Hill goes to war with the powers that be at MLB and says there is an opportunity for players to play. Players who are not able to run or because of the debilitating high school injuries they’ve sustained can no longer play the field, but can still blast the ball as good as Babe Ruth, who if you remember, wasn’t quite a runner himself. I mean probably from all the cigars he was smoking while playing. That could have been an amazing movie, but that is unfortunately not reality. So it is not what we can,

Derek:

I have to say in some of the last scenes, why the hell was Red Murph standing next to the picture?

Jeff:

It never,

sar:

Ever,

Derek:

Ever happened.

Jeff:

Okay. Sarah and I actually also brought this up while watching because I’m like, he’s going to die a line drive get taken out by those. Asked me

sar:

How safe it was that Red was standing there and I was like, oh, he’ll go to the hospital.

Jeff:

He hit at that he will probably die. And also he is like 80 years old. His bones are probably hollow at this point, that wild through

Derek:

His head. Another thing, dead giveaway that folks who were writing the script didn’t actually, I don’t think they know sports or I don’t really think they fully understand, is the scene where red turns to the all-star professional reliever and says, if you hit him again with the ball, you’re done, never

Jeff:

Done. Done from what?

Derek:

Red you are a high school, maybe college age level coach or a scouts. You are not instrumental in changing an Allstar. I can understand if it’s a minor league player. This was a major league Allstar coming for a rehab assignment. He was

Jeff:

On a rehab stint. Yes. Also who does a rehab stint at a tryout game.

Derek:

An exhibition game in southern Texas with old alumni.

Jeff:

With no real teams.

Derek:

Yes. Yes. Made up teams with one DH that’s on both sides. Yeah,

Jeff:

But you needed a hard thrower.

sar:

They proved how brave he was by having that 80-year-old man stand beside the fastest fastball pitcher they had and just stood there against a guy who they already proved could hit it 400 something large.

Derek:

The animosity itself makes no sense. If you want to understand sport or just understand labor issues, if you look at the scout, the scout is hired to do a particular job. The scout doesn’t want animosity towards people that they are scouting. They want to find people in order to do their job, ostensibly do their job. And I think that uncritical take on authority is riddled through this film. It’s just like the authority of red is just assumed. The authority of James is just assumed. And anytime that’s that authority is kind of questioned, it gets just swept under the rug. When the mother-in-law is on the cusp of passing away and says, let Rickey try, it’s like that could have been a moment to confront that hegemonic masculinity, that patriarchal head of family household or something, or later on when he is speaking to his wife about Rickey and there was a moment of conflict. These were all opportunities in which they could have actually tackled hegemonic masculinity. That kind of, it is intertwined in ableism as well and hegemonic ableism as well. All these

sar:

Things. But we also know that that’s never going to happen when your setting is fundamentalist sixties Texas.

Jeff:

That’s right.

sar:

No one in this film is going to argue against an older adult.

Derek:

Yeah. That’s why anytime I see a movie that’s unapologetically the actual plot is just the American dream in any setting, all of these are impossibilities because the American dream is driven on compulsory able bodiedness, on compulsory, compulsory heterosexuality, on hegemonic masculinity, patriarchy, settler colonialism, imperialism, all of these things that just can never be tackled Well, because

sar:

What we’ve epitomized by the original American dream was the straight successful white male. How do you generate that through all these circumstances that only only benefit the straights CI White male. Exactly. And we expanded that imaginary to, oh, now Taylor Swift is the American dream. Now you’ve done all of these kind of subtle corrections to the narrative, but in making those connections, you’re getting at what Derek’s getting at with questioning power structure relationships, or questioning whether or not someone is Jing Egoistically correct. About face or just because they said so. And as soon as you start doing that, you can’t even really say Taylor Swift is the American dream because she still benefits from parts of that narrative.

Derek:

Absolutely. You can’t have a happy ending. There’s not a happy ending in society. There’s simply not the way we’ve built society. It will not be happy. It will not end well for you. Won’t

sar:

Someone think of Galen Weston?

Jeff:

Right. Finally, please

sar:

Someone create alogia for the billionaires.

Derek:

Let’s just talk about one of the people I despise most on this point.

Jeff:

Oh man.

Okay, so that’s our movie. Long and short, very long. There was nothing short about this that long. It was extremely long. It was long. So, okay, I think we probably should just address before we get into our closing thoughts. So quite obviously, this movie has lots of overcoming narratives, the idea that one special ability will help someone to overcome their disability. So Rickey’s inherent wealth is tied to his ability to hit dinners and dinners he will hit. But the thing that I really wanted to talk a little bit about, because we haven’t talked about it yet on the pod, is this notion of disability presented as a test from God. That it is a challenge that is to be met and then forth opportunity. So Sarah, I’m going to turn to you first, then we’ll go to Darren. What do you think about how this movie sort of positions disability in its relation to religious intervention?

sar:

Yeah. I’m not going to beat you at a religious argument because you grew up Baptist and I grew up Buddhist,

Jeff:

Catholic, Catholic. Whoa. The Pope is the head of church here. Come on.

sar:

I didn’t know Jesus was Jewish till university. I made it to 19 years old without ever having learned that fact. But I can approach the disability angle. I think this movie does a really good job with some of the most fundamentalist heritage disability. And if you really strongly want to believe in them, this movie is just your wildest dreams come true. It’s like angels in the outfield meets goodwill hunting meets a beautiful mind, meets insert your favorite overcoming narrative that was modestly, religiously based. And I think a lot of people would actually relate to some kind of form of God’s will or nobody can give you things that you can’t overcome or those narratives because I am surrounded by people who are very quasi-religious at best. And I’ve heard that plenty of times in relation to my own schizophrenia. There’s nothing you can’t overcome if that’s what was meant to be.

You can take God right out of it and make the kind of secular argument toward that. And I think that will resonate with people that it worked for. So it kind of self worth in so far as if you were able to overcome it, you can look back with this nostalgic lens of, ah, it was because I was always meant to overcome it. But when you create that narrative, you also create the inverse even if you didn’t want to. So all of the mentally ill people who end up hospitalized, who end up the infamous cases like Rosemary Kennedy who spend their entire life institutionalized for similar illnesses, are we then saying that God did not want them to overcome. We had Destiny written in the stars and Rosemary’s Destiny was a depressing institution. Ward. Those are the kinds of things that you’re saying without saying when you agree with the premise that for you God’s child or Destiny’s child or W’s child or academia’s child getting spicy now it’ll work out for you from the realm of what’s already happened. And if it doesn’t, fuck you deserved it. So it’s just the deservingness narrative done over and over and over again. And if you want to do it with sports, you can do it with sports. That’s what this movie did. Yeah.

Jeff:

But the inspiration of this film is that he achieves his dreams, he makes the majors he, he doesn’t achieve, but that is the end of the film. The end of the film is he married his sweetheart at home plate of the expos field, and then he played four years in the minors and then it’s cut to credits and that’s the end of the story. And so I think it’s fascinating that from Rickey’s own words, the intention of this film is to inspire physically disabled people that he hopes that physically disabled people are inspired by it, which to me, I would say means that he hopes that you would watch the film and say, if Rickie Hale can do it, I can do it too. I just have to put the time in, got to put the work in. I got to hit a lot of rocks with sticks and I can do it even if people say that I can’t. And it’s like, okay, so that is on its face, not necessarily a bad message on its face.

sar:

I’ll disagree. Continue.

Jeff:

You should not necessarily listen to stereotypes that people try to place on you. I don’t disagree with that. But if you actually look at the actual narrative and the actual set of the story, it really is saying having unique ability and then relentlessly to the detriment of your body, pursue that one ability and drive yourself into the ground doing it. And that’s the path to success. And that’s how you too will earn to be commemorated in film. Right. I think the whole, to bring us back to that disability as a test from God, it’s all about trying to make disability meaningful. Something that is seen as sort of senseless or empty or meaningless that we can’t wrap our heads around. We give it meaning as well. It’s just a test from God or you two shall overcome or it’s a party. It’s an interesting part of your story that you’ll then tell in your film once you’ve overcome it,

sar:

If you deserve it, if it was meant for you, it will happen. It’ll happen. The non secular version of that myth.

Jeff:

Yeah, a hundred percent. And so I think that’s one thing that I found really fascinating about this film is how there is the public narrative of what this film is supposed to be as he sees it, as Rickey sees it. And I think probably as the people that wrote it see it versus what it actually is saying, these things couldn’t be further apart. And I don’t think that there’s any actual understanding that these two roads have diverged as far as they have.

sar:

The only hope it’s generating is if you are good enough at passing, you can have some of what you surmised you deserved. And that’s a way different message than if you hope hard enough, you’ll get literally whatever you want. It’s about adjusting your expectations via your actual ability level. And then even then you’ll probably only be able to do part of that.

Derek:

Yeah. Yeah. Just to echo your point, I think you’ve put it perfectly, Jeff, in terms of I think what the message here doesn’t just impact folks with disabilities, it, it actually sends the message that you should, and we should all be willing to put our bodies through an incredible amount of pain, harm and potentially long-term consequences in order to do the things we love. We quote unquote love. And that that’s a really terrible message, especially in sport when you realize so many people get injured, like lifelong injuries. So many people are dying. So many people are, I think mostly of American football when I talk about this. There are other things boxing, there are other violent sports of course, but people are literally subjecting themselves to years and years and years and years and years of head trauma and receive no remuneration ever.

Jeff:

Yeah. There’s no payoff.

Derek:

And in this case, there was no payoff here. So in 2022, if you played aaa, which is the highest level of major of minor league baseball, you were getting at most $700 a week, a week. That is not some

sar:

To be at the top of your game

Derek:

In 1975, I would say that was probably, and he was what, single or aa max? Like 20 bucks. I would say.

Jeff:

You were paid in steroids. Yeah, he paid in steroids.

Derek:

You have travel to the away game. That’s your payment.

sar:

I agree with all of this.

Jeff:

So I think what we’re all sort of saying here is that I think this movie may have been a horror movie by accident.

Derek:

Well, certainly not for the 65-year-old evangelicals. They love this movie.

Jeff:

They just don’t realize it yet. They don’t realize that they are in Get Out.

sar:

It supports comfort viewing in so far as if you don’t think about it at all, it is an inspirational film about a disabled guy who makes it into the minor leagues. And as soon as you apply a modicum of thought into the scenario, it’s actually a disempowering film about hiding disability at all costs and how disability is antithetical to anything you could hope or dream of.

Jeff:

Right.

Derek:

But here, look, there’s Dennis Quaid.

sar:

Yeah, but

Jeff:

Do you like Dennis Quaid?

sar:

Made by Dennis Quaid? So whatever. Yeah.

Jeff:

Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

Now, as you will know, if you’ve listened to the blog before, we have a perfectly empirical, scientifically rigorous method, which we use to measure all of our movies tongue firmly in cheek. This is of course the invalid culture scale. Now, like golf, we play this with the lowest score wins or the lower the score the better the film did. So let’s take a look and let’s see where the hill falls on the invalid culture scale. So first up, on a scale of one to five, with five being the least accurate, how accurately does this film portray disability?

Derek:

I would say a 4.5. Can I do point fives here? Wonderful. I think that the day-to-day lived reality are completely put out of focus and just hidden. And as we’ve talked about on the podcast, and Sarah’s mentioned several times, the ability to pass was centered and throughout the film, so portraying disability as kind of the only this quote nuisance that arises only when something good is about to happen, I think that’s really problematic. Incredibly problematic. When you think about the lived reality of everyday dealing with anything, with anything that might make you less able-bodied or able mentally than other people. I think you had an opportunity to really dig deep into that lived reality and you had two hours to do it and you didn’t do it at all. So I think it was not accurate whatsoever.

sar:

I agree with everything Derek said. I’m a little harsher. I want to give it a five because it kind of went out of its way to obscure disability at best. And given the runtime, disability is about as tangential as baseball itself. It is a minor character if you consider it a character. I’m kind of surprised Jeff picked it, but I think Jeff did not know upon picking it how little this disability film had to do with disability.

Jeff:

That actually is completely correct because if you look at the Netflix description of this film, it is like watch this man overcome his disability. And it wasn’t that at all. For some people they tricked you with baseball. For me, they tricked me with disability.

sar:

Goddamn right

Jeff:

Marketers, man. Can’t trust him. Okay, so I I’m going to split the difference. I gave this a four a little bit. I was not as harsh. And the only reason I was not as harsh on it is that I love that they not love. I appreciate that they had the ES to openly acknowledge that if Rickey could not have raised the money, his body would’ve just been left broken. So despite the fact that there is a medical treatment that he just wouldn’t have got it. And so I’m like, whoa, this is an American movie that is about rah rah America. But it also was able to be like, oh man. But also, wouldn’t it be weird if we just didn’t raise that $8,000 and he just had broken lines for the rest of his life? Whoa. That would be weird. So I’m giving them one bonus point for openly discussing the

sar:

…accidentally in favor of Obamacare?

Jeff:

Of being accidentally critical of capitalist medicine. Okay, next question. On a scale of one to five, with five being the hardest, I don’t think I even need to ask. How hard was it for you to get through this film?

Derek:

I think that I originally wanted everything in me to not give it a five and I wrote down four. And one of the reasons why, because the happy go lucky storyline, it’s easy to get. I’ve seen it a million times. It’s actually quite easy to get through a fight. But now talking about it for two hours in a couple episodes here, I have to change that to a five because it was so long I wouldn’t have continued watching it past 46 minutes, which is just getting into that. After that 35 minute buffer, I would’ve stopped watching it and I will never watch it again, nor will I ever speak about it again, probably in my life. So I have to give it a five

Jeff:

Except at my funeral. You will be bringing it up at my funeral.

Derek:

It’ll certainly be in the eulogy

sar:

Thanksgiving dinner. If somebody really wants to start the table fight, they can bring up the premise of The Hill and Derek’s going to stand up and go like, this is my Roman.

Derek:

My father-in-Law will just say, oh, I watch this really interesting movie The Hill. It’s about sports. Derek, let’s talk about it.

sar:

It’s gone. I can’t do that.

Jeff:

I’m filing for divorce.

sar:

I’ve watched some pretty brutal films with Jeff, but they don’t usually have this length of runtime. And I did think that you could have done this movie in 40 minutes and told the entire story as it appeared on the screenplay as it’s written now. So I got to give it a five.

Jeff:

Okay, so we are aligned on this one. I love to be punished by movies for what you will about me as a human, but this one was brutal. I was bored throughout. I wanted it to end. I would not have gotten through it if it wasn’t for you guys. Thank you, Jeff. Don’t watch this movie. Having said that, if this movie was a tight 88 minute, I think they probably could have pulled this off. I think they probably could have held my attention for 85 minutes probably if you cut out basically his entire childhood, this movie actually probably would’ve been decent. And maybe the entire father storyline and maybe the entire, you know what if the movie was just the final game? Yeah, just that time. The film. Yeah. I think if…

sar:

The childhood and the father storyline is like an hour and a half of this two hour film.

Jeff:

So yeah, I think, yeah, it was brutal. That’s a five. That’s a pretty solid five.

sar:

That’s a five.

Jeff:

Okay. On a scale of one to five, with five being the max, how often did you laugh at things that were not intended to be funny?

Derek:

So I went through, and to the best of my recollection, I counted the number of times that I actually did this. And I said, if it’s from one to five, that’s the number that I’ll give it. And it was four and it was four times, and it was mostly due to, it had nothing to do with anything substantive. It was like the cheesy one-liners that I just couldn’t get over that were so bad. They made me laugh. And I am not really a motive when I watch films, so I wouldn’t laugh. Even in comedies, I don’t really laugh very often, but for instance, when the sort of scout I, it kind of put the MLB player in to face Rickey right at the end, and then the camera pans to the angel investor and he says he’s sending in his final attempt to ruin Rickey’s day.

That stuff makes me laugh. That wasn’t necessary. That dialogue was not necessary. And it makes me laugh. Or when Dennis Quat actually seemingly aged when he went from, I don’t know if you guys noticed that, but he seemed to look younger when Rickey was older and I couldn’t fully understand that. And then the final scene, another one was when they are reunited and Rickey realizes his father, the hard ass pastor is actually at the game for the first time because of course, and Dennis Quaid looks to him and goes, I guess we’ll have to get used to your new career now. I’m like, what? That’s not even aligned with the character arc whatsoever or, yeah, I think I had one other, oh, and I think I laughed out loud when Rickey just objected to being sent away and every other player was being sent away and they were arguing and they sent, and then Rickey’s just like, but just give me a try. And they’re like, okay, here you go. I laughed out loud. That makes no fucking sense. Why would they do that for 30 players? And then Rickey, you’re just made no sense. So four times I laughed out loud, so I’ll give it a four. That was a long-winded answer to that. No

Jeff:

Fair. I think for our viewers, for those who care about authenticity, Rickey Hill has also stated that his father did not, basically, his father didn’t come to a lot of baseball games, but his father came and checked on him after every game they talked about it. His father was actually pretty actively involved in his fall career throughout. So anyway, I don’t know why they thought it was super important to make his dad a dick in this film. But I

sar:

Do also remember laughing at Rickey Hill’s plot armor moment where they have the big explanation, do not disagree with the coaches. If you’re out, you’re out. And as soon as our main character was out, he was like, no, wait, but I would like to disagree. And it was just accepted, no questions asked. I did laugh at that and I hate this question every single time, every single episode because I’m laughing throughout the entire film every time, but it’s because I’m watching it with Jeff and we amuse each other. So then I have to go back and try to piece out, okay, when was I laughing at Jeff and when was I laughing at a legitimately funny thing the film did, and I think it was very little, the film. This film was kind of bleak for an inspiration porn narrative and spends a lot of time with the kind of poverty porn circumstances of his childhood exploitated to the nth degree for the purposes of this film, because it just makes a better story. This was like narrative journalism 1 0 1 as a film, but if you’re going to do it as narrative journalism, it’s not funny. So two,

Jeff:

Yeah. Okay. I was actually right. I’m lined up exactly where Sarah is on this one. I also gave it a two. And the reason is the only time that I legitimately actually laughed out loud at a non-intentional laugh out, loud moment again, man, I’m going to come off looking such a bad person in this episode. So he is in the doctor’s office and the doctor is, every tendon in your life is destroyed, everything in your body is broken. And also you have this spinal cord of a 60-year-old, and then there’s this sort of like, but you’re telling me there’s a chance. And I’m like, this doctor’s literally just told you that your body is broken, irreparably broken. And he’s like, okay, but I can probably make that tryout in two months.

sar:

You laughing in the face of this young man’s optimism.

Jeff:

It was so straight faced and so silly that they have this super serious, we’re going to give ’em this terrible medical. And I’m like, okay, but you couldn’t even make it six months after the surgery. You had to make this two months. I had a bad ankle sprain and that sucker was at least a month and a half of recovery. And that wasn’t even surgical. That was literally the amount of damage that they described. And then they’re like, oh yeah, you’ll be ready to play in two months. I was like, objectively, that’s hilarious. I’m in the power of prayer baby, but otherwise boring, not funny, even when it thought it was being funny. So I gave it a two. Okay, last but certainly not least, my favorite question, if that last one is Sarah’s worst, this one’s my favorite. On a scale of one to five, with five being the most, how many broken leg steps has this film put back? Disabled people?

Derek:

I would say five. If you approach, I have two answers. If you approach this film as a film about disability, it’s a five. Absolutely. If you think that that’s going to be a centerpiece of this film, it’s a five, it’s a 10. But I think most people are not approaching this as such. And because it’s actually not part of the plot line, it’s not one of the fundamental things. Keeping this film together, it’s actually just a story about believing in Jesus and following capitalist rules. I would say a three or a four for most people that the underrepresentation of the issues is a big issue, but I think most people aren’t even going to associate this with disability whatsoever because it was so few scenes that actually showed anything.

Jeff:

So we’re going to call that a four. Is that a five? A three and a four. We’ll split

Derek:

The difference. Yeah. Sounds a four sounds. Yeah. The very empirical objective measurement here. Yes. We’ll do a four.

Jeff:

It’s scientific folks. Yeah,

Derek:

Scientific, of course.

sar:

Derek, is that your final answer?

Derek:

Final answer.

sar:

Gotcha. Okay. I think it puts us less overall steps back than quid pro crow. And I don’t think it deserves a one or two either, because as Derek so aptly put it, this film is in no way about disability. So if you read the back of the box and you think, oh, this is disability overcoming narrative. You’ve been bamboozled. Not it’s a shitty baseball movie that has very little baseball in it. It’s a coming of age. Bill D’s Roman from a bunch of preacher kids in sixties, Texas. So three.

Jeff:

Yeah. Yeah. Again, we’re pretty aligned. I waffled a little bit on this a little bit. I was also in the five range. At first I was like, God, I’m like, you probably shouldn’t tell people with debilitative disabilities to ignore science and ignore doctor’s advice.

sar:

Try harder,

Jeff:

Brother. If you just hit a few more dinners, you’re going to make it, brother. So I was there, but then I came to the same place that all of you did, which is that mercifully, I think this film largely left us out of the mix. That disability was such a small part of it. They were like, we’ll give you your Forest Gump moment where he is running in the straight leg brace and we’ll give you the for gum moment when he breaks the brace off and gets full body rotation. But after that, I mean, if we imagine the film started when he’s in high school, this actually feels more like the film about just a injury prone athlete, which it’s like, is that really a disability text or, I think that for most audiences, they would separate this out and they would see it more as just sort of an injury prone and not debilitating disability, which is separate from the reality of course, of Rickey Hill as we understand it. So I landed at three. I think three is probably where this fits. It’s not the, I mean, you can’t even compare this to Quick pro quo. I mean, come on. That’s not fair. It’s not fair to anybody.

sar:

Do you want to know, do you want a drum roll or do you just want to hear it straight up?

Jeff:

Yeah. Well, we never do drum roll. I mean, we’re very low budget here.

sar:

You need to be a drum roll. Last episode,

Jeff:

I called for it and then I did not do it.

sar:

I did all this math for you. I added these numbers under 10.

Jeff:

Would you say that you overcame your disability?

sar:

I did.

Jeff:

How much addition did you do in the creek when you were a

sar:

Child? There are probably people from primary school who would come on here and argue with you that I’m mildly dyscalculus.

Jeff:

It’s a reason I make you do it and not me. For the same reason.

sar:

God gave me a Windows machine and a said machine on the seventh day it Unoo gave me calculator. So I just run that through twice. So Calculator came up with a score of 46.5,

Jeff:

Just barely making the major leagues with a score of 46.5. I am proud to announce that Hill qualifies for the prestigious and sought after Jerry Lewis seal of approval, our worst score than you could receive, an invalid culture. Congratulations. The Hill. Wow, you’ve won your Oscar.

sar:

That’s close as they’re going to get.

Jeff:

Dennis is still waiting for the call. It’ll come in a day now.

sar:

Honestly, in his role of shitty fundamentalist preacher, he killed it. I don’t have many notes for him in terms of how he played that role. I have a lot of notes for how that role was written. I don’t have any notes for how Dennis Quaid played it.

Jeff:

If you’ve taken nothing from this episode, take Dennis Quaid. Consummate professional.

sar:

Yeah, phenomenal actor.

Jeff:

So this concludes another episode. We are at the end. Thank you so much for joining us, listeners. But more than that, thank you so much for subjecting yourself to this Derek.

Derek:

Oh, thank you very much for having me. This was a lot of fun.

Jeff:

Absolutely. And this means that we probably should do another sports movie next season. I don’t know. Is it time to do Soul Surfer?

sar:

Angels in the outfield?

Jeff:

Is there a disability in Angels in the outfield? I don’t know. Think viewers, listeners don’t think if there is a disabled character.

sar:

See, since I was a child, there’s about as much disability in Angels in the outfield as there is in the Hill. So if the Hill qualified, I feel like Angels in the outfield should qualify.

Jeff:

Fair enough. Okay. That actually maybe. Maybe that’s fair. Maybe. Alright, well fans, if you have a movie that you would like us to do a baseball, no, we’re not doing another baseball movie. No, no. If you have another sport movie that has a disabled character and you want us to do it, please. Well, okay. Sorry. Hold on. Boys and girls, I need to back up. I have been completely ignoring the fact that we started this podcast with a movie about soapbox derby. So we have done a sports movie on this podcast. I’m so sorry. But if you want to do more, give us another one and we’ll talk about it. So tune in again next month. We have a very special movie with a special guest. It’s going to be a ton of fun before we go on our summer hiatus. Take care. Be safe and do not watch this movie.

<Mvll Crimes theme song>

Jeff:

And this concludes another episode of Invalid Culture. Thank you for joining us. I hope you enjoyed it or not. Did you have a film you would like for us to cover on the pod? Or even better? Do you want to be a victim on Invalid culture? How to word to our website invalid culture.com and submit. We would love to hear from you. That’s it for this episode. Catch you next month and until then, stay invalid.

DVD cover of Quid Pro Quo

When you try to be super sexy but accidentally make a pro-abstinence film…

It isn’t every episode where we cover a movie with legitimate promise. A dark and sexy film about disability subculture? That could be amazing! But, unfortunately for society, Quid Pro Quo isn’t amazing. Instead, we get a psychological thriller that, at times, feels a bit like talking to your parents about sex — jaw-dropping but certainly not darkly erotic. To help us unpack this deeply upsetting film, we’re joined this month by the legendary Lawrence Carter-Long who regales us with tales about how Quid Pro Quo played an unexpected role in the NYC disability rights movement.

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Grading the Film

As always, this film is reviewed with scores recorded in four main categories, with 1 being the best and 5 being the worst. Like the game of golf, the lower the score the better.

How accurate is the representation?

Jeff – 4 / 5

sar – 3 / 5

Lawrence – 5 / 5

Total – 12 / 15

How difficult was it to watch the movie?

sar – 2 / 5

Jeff – 3 / 5

Lawrence – 3 / 5

Total – 8 / 15

How often were things unintentionally funny?

Lawrence – 4 / 5

sar – 4 / 5

Jeff – 5 / 5

Total – 14 / 15

How far back has it put disabled people?

Jeff – 5 / 5

sar – 5 / 5

Lawrence – 5 / 5

Total – 15 / 15

The Verdict

The Jerry Lewis Seal of Approval

Transcript – Part 1

[Episode begins with the film trailer for Quid Pro Quo]

Jeff:

You are listening to invalid Culture, a podcast dedicated to excavating the strangest and most baffling media representations of disability. This podcast is all about staring into the abyss of pop culture adjacent films that never quite broke through because well, they’re just awful. So buckle up folks. The following content is rated I for invalid.

Mvll Crimes (theme song):

I’m arguing with strangers on the internet. Not going out today because I’m feeling too upset. Arguing with strangers on the internet and I’m winning. And I’m winning!

Jeff:

Welcome back to another thrilling episode of Invalid Culture. As always, I am your host, Jeff, and I’m joined once again by co-host sarah. How are you doing, sarah?

sar:

Oh, I can’t wait to talk about this movie. How are you doing?

Jeff:

I am frigging thrilled to talk about this film. This was one of the first movies I’ve wanted to cover on this podcast. It was an insight incident and years later, here we are, we finally get to talk about it. But this is a special episode. This is a special movie, and so we thought we would bring in a special guest. So we are joined today. Sarah and I joined by the one, the only, the legendary Lawrence Carter-Long. How are you doing, Lawrence?

Lawrence:

Oh, I am thrilled to be here with you as part of this very special episode.

Jeff:

Yes, they’re all special, but this one is a little more special. Now, for those of you who don’t know, Lawrence is of course most famously, perhaps for some people, not for me. Most famously curator and founder of this film series that was running in New York in the early 2000s. I was co-hosted three different spotlights on disability and film on Turner Classic Movies. Get that on your cable box. And for me, most famously portrayed a police officer in a very special film about a really fun summer as far as I know.

Lawrence:

The Best Summer Ever. Yeah, The Best Summer Ever.

Jeff:

Can you tell us a little bit about your turn on film?

Lawrence:

Sure. I’d spent so much time talking about film critiquing, film analyzing film, battering people around the ears with film. But what folks probably don’t know is that I started out in my youth as an actor. So in high school and in college, I was on stage doing theta spelled with an RE at the end instead of ER and very, very serious about that and thought it was something that I might pursue, right? So I got out of college early nineties, moved to New York City and found it was similar somewhat in college, but everybody was casting me. Here I am 20, 21 years old full of piss and vinegar, and yet I’m getting cast as the old man or the neighborly grandfather type or that kind of thing. And I was like, nah, that’s not me. So I shifted my energies and my attentions to focus on media and media representation, but film was always near and dear to my heart.

It was the thing that I always went back to. I didn’t walk till I was five. I have cerebral palsy myself, didn’t walk till I was five. So I was weaned in the days before cable in the seventies on old Laurel and Hardy films and chaplain films on the independent PBS station there in Indianapolis where I grew up. So I always seemed to go back to film and had this idea around 2006 when I was the communications coordinator for public policy org in New York City called the Disabilities Network of New York City. And a lot of the older folks, folks who were older than me, I was in my late thirties, early forties at that time, started saying, where are the young people? Why aren’t young folks coming to our meetings? How can we not engage with the younger generations? We want to get some cross-pollination going.

And it was my thought that if you want to appeal to young people, people, then you have to do something that they’re going to be interested in. And so I started thinking, well, how can we get folks in the door? And I had this wackadoodle idea. I thought, well, everybody, most of the films that we see about disability are all sappy, safe, and sentimental. What if we showed films that are kind of edgy and in your face and hard to label or hard to categorize? And so got a space donated, got six month grant to license the films, bring in guest stars. We’re doing this little experiment called this film series, and it was sort of like a middle finger to the establishment. And the way that we talked about it was disability through a whole new lens. And so with that idea in mind, we started this experiment downtown, lower East side Manhattan, to just surprise people, sex, drugs, and rock and roll all with wheelchairs. And it was this six month experiment that lasted four years because they wouldn’t let us stop once people started coming, right?

People could get a beer there. We had a popcorn machine. People could move the chairs around the space. It was a place called the Old Firehouse where they film the TV version of the Democracy Now program, or at least did in those days. So it was just kind of this hip edgy thing. It really wasn’t anything else like it in 2006 in New York City. And what started out as kind of a showcase for some British short films had about 20, 25 people and then it had 40 people, then it had 60 people, then it had 75 people. By the end of the six months, we were right up to around a hundred people a month for these monthly screenings. And we thought, oh, well, we can’t stop now. My initial question was, will people show up if I show this stuff that isn’t sappy safe or sentimental?

Will it just be me sitting there drinking beer and eating popcorn by myself or will other people show? And they did. And so the second question for the second evolution, if you will of this was we learned during the first iteration that it was a really great idea to have a conversation about the film after we screened it. So we would bring in producers, directors, actors, social workers, film critics, whoever it was to talk about the significance of this film. And I thought, ah, that’s where the magic happens. The movie is the vehicle, but it’s that crosspollination sitting across aisle from somebody that you may never wouldn’t be in the same room with otherwise sort of having the same community experience. And so we thought, oh, we’re never going to show a film without a conversation again. And this was after the second screening. And so the question became for the second round, will this spark conversation? And so I would always try to program movies that would get people talking. And we were about two years, just a little bit into two years of that experiment when we started having filmmakers, film producers, film distributors come to us and say, this movie hasn’t been released yet, but they’d written about us in the New York Times and other places by that point. So we were getting up some buzz and we were getting known. And so people was like, would you be kind of our test audience, if you will, our focus group?

sar:

That’s amazing.

Lawrence:

And that’s how the film that we’ll be discussing over the next couple episodes came to my attention and eventually came to be screened as a part of dismiss.

sar:

Did Quid Pro Quo end your film series hosting career?

Lawrence:

I’ll tell you this, it nearly did. We were able to go for a couple of years after that when I got a federal job and had to move to New York City. But it was very interesting, so I’ll give you the backstory. So the producers came to us and said, we’d already had our screening booked for that particular month. And they were like, would you add an extra screening? We’ll rent the room, we’ll pay for whatever the sign language interpreters, whatever it is you need. We would love to get your honest feedback. And I said, well, send me a screener. Let me take a look at the film first, right? Is this us? I’m not sure. It looks like it might be, but who knows? Hadn’t seen it yet. And by this stage, we had a really sophisticated audience. There were people there that were unpacking and really looking at, they knew a bit about disability history.

They were certainly part of disability culture. They were thinking critically about, because we were doing repertory films, we were doing first run films. We were doing films that were shown overseas at that point but didn’t have us distribution. And so people had been, at this point, two years in exposed to a lot of different things, and we had our regulars first Wednesday of the month, every month. They didn’t even care what we were showing. They would show up in order to have that conversation. And so I said, you got to understand this is a sophisticated audience. We’re there to have fun, but people are thinking critically about this stuff and analyzing it. Oh, that’s exactly what we want. Okay, good. So I got the screener, watched it and was flabbergasted because for so many reasons and we’ll get it. I know the second part, we’ll get into all the reasons, but this was 2008, maybe late 2007 or early 2008 when this happened, film hadn’t been released yet. Basically nobody had seen it. And I remember thinking as I was watching, I tried to pay close attention to the moment when it just fell off a cliff when I was just like, and it was this hard right turn up until about the 46 minute mark. I had problems here and there issues, concerns. I was wondering about it, but it just took this hard turn at about the 46 minute mark halfway through the film and it never recovered.

sar:

I think it’s generous to give it 46. Yeah, that’s pretty generous. That’s incredibly generous.

Lawrence:

Well, I think I was, I’m an optimist by me, and so I think it was up until the 46 minute mark, I thought, maybe it’s redeemable. Maybe they can do something and surprise me, pull this out. I think the saddest thing about this film and the most bewildering mind blowing thing about this film is that it actually has potential. There’s a lot that they could have done with it if they had come to us a little bit sooner. If they had talked to folks like yourselves or me or anybody actually,

sar:

Yeah, anyone would’ve qualified.

Lawrence:

…they put the film out. And so I think that most of my kind of antipathy and anger, which is very strong toward this film, and I think it was also very strong from our audience, was really based on the fact that it could have been something, it could have been a contender, it could have been something. And it just, after it took that turn, there was just no redeeming it. And just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse by God, it did. And so we set up the screening and so I tried to diplomatically talked the distribution company out of it, which was Magnolia Pictures and their PR person, oh, I want to attend, but don’t announce me. I just want to be a fly on the wall in the back of the room. And I was like, we can do that. Are you sure? Well, absolutely. We’ll do that.

And so everybody was there. It was our first time. We’d done two screenings of two different films in one month, and I promoted that the film studio had come to us and it was very excited about getting their honesty actions. And I’d warned the PR person from the distribution company, you’re going to get it. And I knew what was coming. I could see it, the writing on the wall because I’d seen the film and I was just like, okay, well, this will be an interesting experiment. And it literally, Sarah, it literally was in the four years that we did the film series, no film at any point caused the type of blowback and visceral hatred did. People were just so angry and just throwing bombs at this thing. And I remember I would always lead discussions after the screening, and I remember about 15 minutes into it, I had noted at the beginning of the screening that the PR person had introduced herself to me before things began, and I noted where she sat and all of that, and I looked up, gone.

sar:

I was expecting you to say she had burst into tears crying her eyes.

Lawrence:

There might’ve been this little pile of dust or ash there at the bottom of the chair. I don’t recall, but she was just no longer in the room, and I remember trying to email her and talk because I felt kind of bad,

sar:

Deleted, unfollowed.

Lawrence:

She just disappeared off the face of name change.

sar:

Yeah, she actually changed countries. She’s no longer an American citizen. I actually would’ve paid real life money to have been there, preferably beside the Magnolia producer PR person. As soon as that movie ended and the energy in the room kicked off, I would pay concert ticket money to have been there in that moment. As soon as the movie,

Lawrence:

It was so funny, I would do a thing where as the lights went up, the credits start to roll and the lights would go up and I would stand in the front of the room. I had a bar stool. I kind of lean up against it and the first thing I’d always say was, so what did you think? Right? The booze, this chorus, this cacophony

sar:

Having the microphone: okay, guys, we’re going to do this one at a time.

Lawrence:

And I was like, well, yeah, I’m glad we don’t have tomatoes. I was just like, okay. And so I see that you didn’t like it and well, why? And the magic shoes and all of the people were just flabbergasted. But as I think back now, having literally just watched this because I’ve been putting it off, I want to tell you Jeff, I’d seen it in 2008. I was so scarred and traumatized by that experience. I had not watched it again in all these years. So we’re talking well over a decade. I was like, no, man, I don’t want to revisit that thing. But watching it again this morning and having the benefit of hindsight, I think the thing that frustrates me most about this film is that if they’d gone about it differently, they actually could have done something.

sar:

I actually totally agree with that. I think that a bunch of, I think Jeff said it was only one writer, but this guy had clearly encountered some entry level Crip theory and then was like, I think I could do something really subversive with this. And the movie wanted to be so critical, and it was trying to come up with new acronyms and new ways of looking at Crip theory in the moment, but they were also wasted and haha and blatantly offensive that every time it tries to have an inspired moment, it’s something like Welcome to Hell or Paralyze Yourself.

Jeff:

Yeah

Lawrence:

It was all this kind of this fun house mirror of Crip theory where it’s just distorted left and and up and down and where it’s almost recognizable, but not quite,

sar:

But not quite.

Lawrence:

And so you’re left sort of a little literally off balance watching this thing going. This is almost familiar, but this is some alternate universe that I’m not a part of where the streets look the same and they look like human beings, but something’s dangerously desperately off.

Jeff:

I think there’s an apt metaphor here. It almost feels like a movie about someone who is pretending to be disabled, and that is maybe fitting because…

sar:

Holy shit, Jeff,

Jeff:

That’s the film that we are talking about right now is of course the one and only Quid Pro Quo. Now, for those of you who have not seen Quid Pro Quo…

Lawrence:

Wait, congratulations. First off, congrats. Congratulations for not seeing it.

Jeff:

Yes, you have made a phenomenal choice with your life. That’s why we exist. You get to learn about these films without having to subject yourself to them. Okay, so what is quid pro quo? Well, according to the mixers of the film, it is a darkly erotic movie from the box. When a man walks into a hospital and offers a doctor $250,000 to amputate a perfectly healthy leg reporter, Isaac Knot Next all becomes intrigued, not who lost the use of his legs in a childhood car accident, finds his professional interests turn into personal business. Fiona Viga, a mysterious and sexy informant, offers him an odd exclusive, an introduction to the disturbing new subculture.

sar:

I think it’s even generous to call professional disability pretendianism a subculture. I really wouldn’t even reward it, that name.

Jeff:

Yeah. Okay. So if we take a step back, how does this box, does that accurately describe the movie that you were forced to watch here?

sar:

Not really.

Lawrence:

No. No, I don’t think so. And I think that is the problem with the film in general. If I were to narrow down and distill the issues with the film disability, not withstanding, which we’ll get into the nitty gritty about that in a bit, I was like, what does it want to be? It has this identity crisis. So it’s like not only do the characters have these identity crisises, but the film has an identity crisis. It’s sort of marketed as kind of a Cronenberg-esque or a David Lynchian kind of film. But as I was watching it, I’m seeing more Brian de Palma and shades of Michael Powell’s, The Red Shoes, even with the magic shoes and all of that business. And so what I think with the filmmaker is that either knowingly or not knowingly, I’m not sure. I think they directed and wrote it, had all these influences that had either subconsciously seeped into their brain or consciously tried to rip off all these other filmmakers but didn’t commit to any of it. So there’s this kind of half-assed touching on a theme or dropping a hint somewhere, but then never really committing to that theme or to that idea, which leaves you with this unsatisfying hodgepodge of what is going on here, what are we watching, and how did this film get made?

Jeff:

Yeah. Well, I mean, that is a great question. How did this film get made? Well, it was written and directed by a person named Carlos Brooks. Brooks would actually follow up this film with another writer, director, joint/calamity, which was titled Burning Bright. This was a film about a woman and her autistic brother that have to survive being trapped in a house with a tiger during the hurricane. So this is somebody who likes to mash stuff together.

sar:

That’s next week’s film.

Jeff:

Spoiler alert…

Lawrence:

God, just put it in a blender. Wow.

sar:

Okay. Yeah, I love it.

Jeff:

Spoiler alert, we will be doing this film next year.

Lawrence:

Wait, let’s just revisit this minute. We’ve got a hurricane, a tiger, single mother. Is it a single mother?

Jeff:

Sister.

Lawrence:

Sister, okay. And an autistic child.

Jeff:

Correct. Yeah. I think he is a teenager possibly, but yes. Yeah. Anyways, I am anxiously the DVD to arrive at my house, and we will be doing this film next year.

sar:

Life of Pi as visualized in a New York slum.

Jeff:

Yes. Yeah, it’s basically like Rain Man and Life of Pi slammed together with that Hurricane Heist movie. Yeah,

sar:

I like that he seems to think that slamming together two really iconic directorial styles is a film sub genre, and he is not even wrong. And the films that I would’ve used for Quid Pro Quo were kind of Mary Harran, American Psycho with anything by David Lynch, slammed together to try to make Disability Theory as visualized by American Psycho and Memento.

Lawrence:

And it did. It tried so hard at the beginning of the film, really.

sar:

It was a really earnest effort at Memento, American Psycho Crip Theory, and I really like how hard it tried, but it didn’t stick to the Landing.

Lawrence:

You’re five minutes in and he’s talking about ABs and PWDs

sar:

Table bodies.

Jeff:

Oh, man. Okay. So we are going to talk about the acronym nonsense in this film. I pitched to Sarah that we should do this entire episode just in acronyms. Yeah, because there were so many shot down. Now, part of the answer on why this may might not great is that it was produced in part by HD Net Films and Sanford Pillsbury Productions, I’m assuming Sanford Pillsbury Productions, I don’t know this, but I’m guessing is probably Carlos Brooks’s production company in which they produce two films, HD net films, mostly concert videos. So they have concert videos for Bush Newfound Glory sticks, Liza Minnelli. They have put out several dramas, including the architect and several horror movies, one of which is called S Ampersand Man, which apparently is known as Sandman, not S and M Man, which I think would’ve been way better as well as a movie called Bubble.

So I think there wasn’t a lot of production support, let’s say. But despite that, this film did draw two very big actors at the time. Nick Stall is our main character who plays Isaac Knotts. This is not his only disability related role. Nick Stall is also appeared in film’s life, A Man Without a Face, Thin Red Line, Sin City, Disturbing Behavior. While he was a bit of an A-lister at the time of this film, he’s sort of devolved into more of a B or possibly C list actor at this point. He just was in a thing called Knights of the Zodiac, which has nothing to do with the Zodiac Killer. Very disappointing. As well as,

Lawrence:

Or Knighthood maybe at all.

Jeff:

It’s like if you took the Marvel Universe and then you put it in the microwave for about an hour. And then of course Stall is also Beloved in HBO’s Carnival, which is a whole other disability conversation. Exactly. Entirely. Nick is mirrored by Vera Farmiga, who plays Fiona the love interest. Now, Vera is of course a legitimate actor who’s had a remarkable career, included Oscar movies like The Departed, Up in the Air, is in the billions of horror movies associated with the Conjuring-verse as Lorraine.

sar:

I was going to say: how are you naming anything but The Conjuring first?

Jeff:

All of the Conjuring. Yep. She’s also done well in television with Bates Motel.

sar:

Bates Motel. She’s actually playing the same role in this movie.

Jeff:

Pretty much. That’s what she disappeared to at the end.

Lawrence:

That’s kind of her archetype.

sar:

Yeah, she’s reprising her creepy, oddly sexy, but not sexy at all mother.

Jeff:

And so I have never seen both Bates Hotel. How much does ancient Chinese girls come up in that show?

sar:

Oh, absolutely none. Because America doesn’t observe other cultures, but there would definitely be more ancient Chinese women.

Jeff:

And last but certainly not least…that’s right, sports fans! You did see for a brief moment the beloved Amy Mullins as Isaac’s ex-girlfriend Raine. Now, interestingly, by my count, she has one scene in the entire movie. However, there are deleted scenes from this film that you could watch on the DVD, and most of them are scenes involving her character. So yes, this is true. The movie cut out almost all of the scenes that involved the actually disabled actor that was attached to this film.

Lawrence:

Which begs another question, Jeff. Now I have not had the pleasure of seeing these deleted scenes, but, and when director’s cut with these scenes included in context to the rest of the film, would you subject yourself to that?

Jeff:

Okay…we are going to put an enormous pin on that because I did subject myself and I did it for a very specific reason, which we’re going to talk about in about 15 minutes.

sar:

He actually did it to give me a textual blow by blow of every single deleted scene, which was appreciated because I didn’t have to watch.

Jeff:

I narrated it. Now, we obviously have our own opinions about these movies and they’re valid opinions, however, we are not the only ones. So let’s take a look at some of the critical response has been to this film. So I’ve got a couple quotes here from Rotten Tomatoes that we’ve pulled from movie critics. As you can imagine, this movie was not really beloved by the critical class. David Eldine has written. The first half of quid pro quo is amongst the most jaw dropping things I’ve ever seen. Who knew there was a closeted subculture of people pretending to be paraplegics…

sar:

Which to be, I want to be super clear about this. There’s not.

Jeff:

Who knew?

sar:

I feel like the movie that its chief fallacy is perpetuating the subculture of people faking disability, which is what everybody’s getting so mad about. If you haven’t seen the film and the fact that people are coming away, coming away with this saying, wow, I didn’t know so many people were faking disability is the problem with the film.

Jeff:

Every single one, every single person you’ve see in a wheelchair is actually probably a wannabe

sar:

They have been. Try to push them out because they’ll probably get up

Lawrence:

And Yeah, I guess when we’re doing the scene by scene, we can talk about this. There’s several scenes where they do that. They literally do that. They get up and they carry the chair

Jeff:

…the wheelchair away

sar:

This movie put the ADA back 20 years, and it was released in 2006.

Jeff:

Now, Rex Reed has a very interesting, I would love to hear what your thought is on Rex Reed’s comment. Rex Reed writes about this film. It certainly won’t be everyone’s cup of breakfast bitters, but you can’t dismiss it nonchalantly.

sar:

Oh, I can.

Lawrence:

Well, I got to tell you what, he was with me. I was with him completely until that last word. No, I don’t think you can dismiss it nonchalantly. I think you have to dismiss it vehemently. I think you have to dismiss it with all the passion that you can muster. So he had me, I was with him up until the nonchalant, and I’m like, you know what? I guess he’s right. You can’t dismiss it nonchalant because it does provoke such strong reactions.

Jeff:

Yeah. Now, Lawrence, it’s my understanding that you’ve also found some very intriguing references in terms of analysis of this film. What did you dig up for us?

Lawrence:

Yeah. One of the things that strikes me about this film that I did not recall from blanking it out and blocking it out, which for a movie about repressed memories, I guess that would be appropriate, but I was a radio show host and producer in New York City during time, and so part of my sort of mo in preparing for any interview, whether I’m a host or a guest, is to kind of do my research and kind of read the teale, see what people were talking about and what the reviews, basically what we’re doing now ran across this review, sort of this aside in the review in the San Francisco Chronicle, which says this, its biggest mystery is how quid pro quo was financed by Texas Trillionaire and Dallas Maverick owner Mark Cuban, no less, and selected for distribution.

Jeff:

Yes. This is a hundred percent accurate. He is in the credits.

sar:

Mark Cuban saw some form of this script or movie and was like, seems legit.

Jeff:

I’m in.

Lawrence:

I just want to know the origin story. I want to know how that meeting came to be. I want to know what was said during that meeting and how much he bankrolled. What was his buy literally?

sar:

I want to know if they got Mark Cuban via Vera Farmiga’s crip fantasy theory. I think that’s what would’ve sold him on it.

Jeff:

See, my theory is I think Mark Cuban is the reason we have these big name actors in the film. That’s my suspicion.

sar:

Thank Mark Cuban for Vera Farmiga.

Jeff:

My suspicion, I don’t want to say that you owe us as a community, but I think you owe us as a community, Mark Cuban, if you can bankroll one film, you should be required to bankroll the counterpoint to this film. I think.

sar:

What would the counterpoint to this film incredibly sexy, disabled people who weren’t faking it at all?

Lawrence:

What I’m kind of imagining is I would as a test, as an exercise to myself, a challenge, a challenge to myself. If I were given this film, I would try my best to leave everything as it was up until the 46 minute mark. And then the challenge, what would I change afterwards? And here’s what I think I would change after that 46 minute mark is I would have Mr. Magic shoes here, Nick Stall, suddenly because the only other Crip he knows is the priest, right? His buddy who

sar:

Father Basketbal

Jeff:

Father Basketball, that’s what we call him.

Lawrence:

His basketball buddy who’s in two quick scenes and that’s all. He’s supposed to be this old friend. But the only time we see or hear him or think about him, and you know that he dates Amy Mullins. He dated at least Amy Mullins character, but it doesn’t appear by my viewing of the film that he’s at all interested, invested or connected to disability culture at all. And so what I would like to see is that character, as he starts investigating this story, stumbling across a crew like the folks who used to come to this film series, and because we had disabled folks, trans folks, academics, activists, this whole spectrum of people that had their own reasons for being there that were wild, that they were always drinking. We had dance parties after the screenings. And so I’d like to see through no intention of his own, the guy kind of stumbling, pun intended across Crip culture, and then getting kind of jazzed by it and writing a different story, pursuing a different story. So instead of being fixated and hung up on the magic shoes, he gets turned on to Crip culture. He gets turned on to the people that we know and the people that we talk to, and it takes a turn. And he kind of embraces that

sar:

This is such a wholesome and earnest rewriting of this movie, and I love it, and it makes me really love Lawrence that he’s like, I love how this started and I just want him to meet Crip community and all of us can just love each other. My answer to that question was I wanted to go full mockery in the other direction.

Lawrence:

So like full blown satire

sar:

Walking into a university like, ha, check out my five degrees and all this walking, I can do down 15 building hallways and all of these meta stereotypes to ability, but done really s sardonically.

Jeff:

So Forrest Gump is what you wanted. You wanted this to become Forrest Gump.

sar:

Forrest Gump in a university.

Lawrence:

Well, and I could see a hybrid. So the Crips that he runs across, radicalize him, right? And then he decides he’s going to F with the system. I would love to see this merry band of Crips just running around New York City causing anarchy and just disrupting things left and right. That would be the movie. That’s the movie. This could have been, right?

sar:

You’re pushing the movie Newsies,

Jeff:

Crip Newsies.

sar:

It actually already exists

Lawrence:

Their own nonprofit media group, right? They’re going around. He had no issue getting into the taxi cab, right? There’s a scene. We’ll get into this, right? Yeah. I will say this. Every restaurant, every apartment building, every public space is accessible. Nobody, out of all the wannabe Crips, the real Crips, the who know Crips in the film, they never run across any access accommodations. They never that are not provided, right? They never bump into any obstacles that are the day-to-day realities that we face. And so it would be fun to see a bunch of Crips then take it upon themselves to, with Sledgehammers, create those curb cuts where they do not yet exist.

sar:

It’s true as a New York citizen, that New York City is actually a utopia for are paralyzed people and other Crip identity.

Lawrence:

Again, I think it was an alternate universe because that’s not the New York City that I experienced.

sar:

Am I to believe that New York City is actually a disability utopia?

Jeff:

Well, according to some other people, that might be the case because of course, lots of uppity people go to things like the New York Post and the Washington Post to get their culture. But the real ones know that the best critical analysis comes to us in the comment section, the IMDB and various websites. But I prefer Amazon and IMDB are my two preferred for just the best takes. So I have two that I for us to get into here. Our first one comes from Bernstein 3, 2, 9. He provided this film with a one out of 10 rating, the title being Garbola, which I like that. Zesty. Bernstein 3, 2, 9 says, this was probably the worst movie I have seen since the arrival and one of the worst films I’ve seen in my entire life having been suckered into renting this horrific piece of garbage. I left the movie experience feeling Ill, literally horrible, screenwriting, atrocious acting, contrived bullshit plots and unbelievable characters, magic shoes, ginger. Jake, am I expected to believe that someone who has been in a wheelchair for 20 years could just get up and start walking somehow? I don’t think the human body works that way.

sar:

That’s actually an unfair and incredibly hilarious review because there was actually an entire two minute montage dedicated to how hard it is to get up out of a wheelchair and walk immediately.

Lawrence:

And this guy had no physical therapy. I mean, he does talk a little bit about, well, I swim.

sar:

Yes. Oh, he does 17 sports.

Jeff:

He does 17 sports!

Lawrence:

But none of them which uses legs. And so he’s just able to rise up out of the chair via Jimmy Swaggart or whatever.

sar:

The sheer force of his masculinity allowed him to rise up and above using the magic shoes.

Jeff:

Yes, of course. So anyway, this one cracked me up, particularly because he identifies the reality that there is magic shoes in this universe, but he still refuses to believe that magic would be able to overcome disability, which I thought that was also fairly interesting. Even

sar:

A alternate universe, you’re going to need more than shoes, bud.

Jeff:

You’re trying to tell me that candle can just magic potion his way, and a Frodo is not a little person. Come on.

sar:

Which actually introduces a secondary more interesting conversation about what magic item would’ve been enough for him if he put on a magic suit of armor and able to walk.

Jeff:

A magic watch?

sar:

Is that enough magic to disability ratio that it cancels out?

Jeff:

Yeah. Well, yeah, you would need to go to a doctor to get that prescription. Sarah, obviously,

Lawrence:

Who is the sorcerer, which is duing out these magic clothing items, right? The capes, the coats, the belts.

sar:

He gave him a magic hat. Would he have accomplished the same montage?

Jeff:

And the source of said magic, of course, is a pawn shop where he found the shoes, which of course now, okay

sar:

Which implies that this is part of actually a whole series of people who used to be disabled, use the magic shoes are no longer disabled, and now they’re passing it on to the next poor disabled man who needs to get his girlfriend back. But his girlfriend implied, the one person must always walk in relationship rule

Jeff:

But we’re not going to give it to them. We’re going to put it in a pawn shop and hope they find it.

sar:

They’ll know If you’re looking for this, you’ll know.

Lawrence:

And I got to tell you what, as a viewer, again, with the benefit of hindsight, I was a little disappointed, and maybe it’s in those deleted scenes or those extra scenes, but I wholly expected upon seeing this again, that because he could walk and he had then met the criteria of one person in the relationship should be able to walk, that we would see the Amy Mullen’s character again at the end. But no, he was still obsessed with the gal that caused his injury in the first place. So I was a little disappointed by that. I thought, close this loop here, people.

Jeff:

So it turns out you actually might be an Nostradamus. So as I was going through the reviews, many of the positive reviews for this movie would make the same claim, which was, this movie was infinitely better if you included the deleted scenes. I’m not joking. Multiple comments said, you got to watch the deleted scenes. It makes this movie a million times better. You’ve just got to watch them. So that’s exactly what I did. I pulled up the old DVD and I found that there were in fact 10 minutes of deleted scenes, which largely consisted of Isaac reunited with rain, his ex who had dumped him for not being able to walk, but they reconcile once. He is now not a disabled person. My personal favorite though of the deleted scenes is one in which Isaac does go to a doctor to confirm if the shoes are in fact magic. And the doctor says, and I quote, yes, you could walk. I suspected it the minute you roll through that door, which is exactly how that could work. Exactly. A closed runner up was a scene in which he goes to visit and apologize to wheelchair, priest, basketball enthusiast, priest, Dave, father Dave. And at the end of the scene, he asks Isaac how he feels now that he’s able to walk. And Isaac responds like a bicycle, and then the scene ends. And I have zero idea what that means.

sar:

Father Basketball, you can’t do me like this.

Lawrence:

Yeah, come on. Come on, father.

Jeff:

What? Isaac feels like a bicycle now that he’s able to walk again. I don’t know, maybe that he’s getting ridden all the time now by his new girlfriend.

sar:

Okay. Funny. Okay.

Lawrence:

But that would be Raine, not the

sar:

Not Vera Farmiga, no, she gets canned in either scenario. Can I ask a possibly provocative question based on that?

Jeff:

I would love you to.

sar:

Are you feeling comfortable with me, Lawrence, to ask a possibly provocative question.

Lawrence:

I am seated. I’m strapped in. Let’s go in for the duration. Go for it.

sar:

I wonder if, because you said there were a number of reviews that said if you had included all these scenes where he spoke a little more on the shoes or got back together with the actually disabled character in the movie, it would feel like a better film. And I’m just thinking in the spur of the moment here, I feel like they kind of missed the point of the film because I feel like the point of the film was that all of these pretending are around him, and they’re all psychosomatically disabled, which is another way of saying they’re either doing it to themselves or it’s for some reason all in their heads, or it’s some kind of overcomeable circumstance by way of physical therapy, which this movie thinks is bullshit or regular therapy, which this movie also thinks is bullshit. And then the big reveal at the end of the movie, spoiler alert, is that he was psychosomatically disabled the whole time.

So if you wanted his resolution to be, oh, good, now he can get with the disabled girl, I feel like the reveal was lost on you because he actually belonged with all of these people the entire time. He was not the outlier and Vera, far Miga fantasizes about his psychoso, not the fact that he’s disabled. And she actually goes as far as applying that as far as she can go consciously upon herself. So if you want him to end up with this neat little love story resolution, did they not get the ending? Did they actually think the shoes were magic?

Lawrence:

Well, I think that’s the problem with the film. As we said earlier, it touches upon, it almost goes there. It alludes to, and it plants a seed, but then none of these things sprout. None of these things grow. And so you’re left with this hodgepodge, right? This mashup of things that could have been, that are never really actually realized, or I would say even pursued. So it just sells itself short on every conceivable level. It doesn’t commit to any of these things. And so you’re left being scratching your head and kind of frustrated by what it could have been.

Jeff:

And speaking of not committing, I am not going to commit to talking about this movie anymore this week. It’s time for us to end on a cliffhanger.

sar:

What a transition.

Jeff:

If you want to know more about this film for, I’m going to say sadomasochistic reasons, then you will need to tune in next week where we do a deep dive on Quid Pro quote

[Mvll Crimes theme song interlude]

Jeff:

And thus concludes another episode of Invalid Culture. Thank you for listening. I hope you enjoyed it or not. Either way, please take a second. If you haven’t to subscribe to our podcast on whatever platform you’re using, tell a friend, and better yet, do you want to be a victim on the podcast? Go on to our website, invalid culture.com, submit your name. We would love to terrorize you with a bad movie, have a bad movie of your own that you think that we should watch. Again, jump on our website, invalid culture.com, submit it, and we would love to watch the trash. Be sure to tune in again next week for part two, where we will start to dig into the movie and find out whether or not it wins the coveted Jerry Lewis seal of approval

Mvll Crimes (theme song):

Arguing with strangers on the Internet. Everyone is wrong, I just haven’t told them yet.

Transcript – Part 2

Jeff:

Previously on invalid culture.

Fiona (Vera Farmiga):

People who get off on braces and wheelchairs are called devotees. They’re a joke. They’re the bottom rung. Above them are the pretenders. They wear the braces, they push the wheels, but they don’t belong to their chairs Still. If they want to fantasize, that’s their choice. Then there are the wannabes. You saw how crazy they are.

Isaac (Nick Stahl):

What makes you different than I wannabe or pretending?

Fiona (Vera Farmiga):

I’m a unique case. I don’t want to be paralyzed.

Isaac (Nick Stahl):

You don’t.

Fiona (Vera Farmiga):

I already am paralyzed. I’m just trapped in a walking person’s body.

Jeff:

You are listening to invalid culture, a podcast dedicated to excavating the strangest and most baffling media representations of disability. This podcast is all about staring into the abyss of pop culture adjacent films that never quite broke through because well, they’re just awful. So buckle up folks. The following content is rated I for invalid.

Mvll Crimes (theme song):

I’m arguing with strangers on the internet not going out today because I’m feeling too upset with strangers on the, and I’m winning. I’m winning.

Jeff:

Welcome back to another thrilling day Invalid Culture, back with part two of Quid Pro Quo. Once again, we are joined by co-host, sarah, how are you doing this week, sarah?

sar:

I literally can’t wait to finish this conversation. Quid pro quo winning.

Jeff:

Are you a better or worse person a week later?

sar:

Probably better, but only because I had time to explore the darkly erotic depths of quid pro quo.

Jeff:

Yeah, that’s fair. And again, we are joined by our resident expert and quid pro quo enthusiast. Lauren Carter-Long.

Lawrence:

Yeah, it’s flipped me. I’ve, I’ve gone from somebody who was highly traumatized myself by this film to one who is imagining all the possibilities of what could have been, should have been, might’ve been if this had been handled differently. And congratulations, sarah, on exploring those dark recesses of yourself via this film. I’m glad to know it was good for something.

sar:

Thank you.

Jeff:

So what is quid pro quo for those of you who have not watched this film? Well, our dark, gritty and titillated tale that is extremely horny begins with the introduction of radio journalists, wheelchair user Isaac, who is totally not working for NPR. It is some other leftist New York talk radio station. It is not NPR

Introduced as a spicy new story. Apparently a man recently tried to bribe a surgeon to amputate his perfectly fine legs, Isaac getting over being dumped by his PWD girlfriend because he cannot walk, decides to take up the story because geez, it’s really tough being disabled because cops won’t pull over for you. And so why would someone want to do this after tugging on the frayed threads like a good noir Detective Isaac has tipped off on a literal dank basement meeting of a special group of people, the wannabes. It is here that Isaac learns. There is a whole constellation of abs, which apparently means able-bodied people who find the idea of disability, sexy and cool. These folks go around pretending to be disabled, trying to learn the PWDs way of life and and speaking so that they can pass in the culture of the pws. So basically this is a totally normal anthropology department at any coastal university.

sar:

It’s true. There’s some really inclusive commentary there about the type of people who study other people for a living, and I don’t think it was intentional, but it is funny.

Jeff:

Yeah, absolutely. Little jab, but are my anthropologist friends. Okay. So I think we probably need to start our conversation. Okay. I’m not even going to do, I don’t even know where to start. Where do we want to start on the start of

sar:

This film? Can I propose something?

Jeff:

Please save me.

sar:

I was struck in the first, I guess you’re doing thirds, the first third of this film, by how many times Stall has to tell you point blank to the viewership. I have sex. This guy has the ultimate broken masculinity, straight white male syndrome of, I need to tell you on a literally constant basis how much I’m getting it. One of his opening lines in this film, for those of you who hasn’t seen it, is I have sex. I just can’t get cabs, which I think is supposed to be sexy.

Lawrence:

We can go a little deeper with that, sarah, because as I watched it again in preparation for this conversation, the actual quote is, I can HAVE sex.

sar:

Oh my goodness.

Lawrence:

And so is this aspirational? Yes. Is my question.

sar:

I guess we’re asking, he wants to tell me every 20 minutes that he can have sex maybe because he’s telling himself

Lawrence:

Yes. Yes. I think that maybe this is aspirational for him that he can, whether or not he is, he can, but maybe he just is getting in his own way. And

Jeff:

There’s some evidence there. He does actually miss out on an opportunity for population moments later in which one of his absolutely not NPR coworkers sets him up on a date with ABHB and it doesn’t go well. Unfortunately, she does not wish to sleep with him because she, in his words, doesn’t want to be a good person that day. Which yeah, there is some gender politics stuff going on in this film, which is fascinating.

Lawrence:

Well, and the date, right? The date doesn’t even, again, it’s sort of this ends prematurely in that the date doesn’t even happen, right? No. He enters the restaurant strangely accessible. And I believe he asks for the name, says the name out loud to a bartender or a wait staff or something. And you see, I believe you see the person behind him kind of pay attention to that. And next thing you know, she’s at the curb hailing a cab. Right. Same cab that he can’t catch right?

Jeff:

Yeah. The obsession would not being able to catch a cab is throughout this film. And I found it particularly interesting. I mean, okay, full disclosure, I do not live in New York. I live in a small Canadian town, we’ll call it a village, the Village of London, Ontario. And my understanding of the problem with cabs, it’s not so much that they won’t pull over for you as the racial discrimination thing. It’s more that when you call for one, there are none that are accessible. That seems to be the issue.

Lawrence:

That is the issue. And I was the communications coordinator. I don’t think I’d quite been the executive director of the Disabilities Network of New York City by this point, but I was doing advocacy in New York City and it was all public policy work. We were engaging, the whole point of the organization was to engage with the mayor’s office to come up with public policies that would benefit disabled folks in New York City. That’s pretty cool. Taxi cabs was one of the issues that was a priority for us. And so we were doing forums with the Taxi and Limousine Commission. There were car services that theoretically speaking, pick people up if you’re not disabled. And I remember this was the same year, this came out 2008. That was the same year that I did an interview with Penn and Teller’s Bullshit television team. And the whole point in one of the scenes of the episode, I literally hailed down a taxi, had the camera crew hop in the taxi with me, and then talked about how out of millions of people in New York City and tens of thousands of taxis, only 25 were wheelchair accessible at that point. So you’d have a better chance of spotting a unicorn or Elvis at the Burger King than you would in getting an accessible taxi.

Jeff:

Now, another real New York culture question I have this film at the beginning of the film is extremely assertive, that there are specific phrases, specifically acronyms, that all disabled people use, including the assertion that disabled people refer to themselves as pws, that we refer to people that don’t have disabilities as abs as an able bodied. And that at times there are also addendums to this acronym based on the quality of the body. Specifically you are an HB as in a hot body. So you could be P-W-D-H-B, you could be an A-B-H-D, I myself am P-W-D-A-B-PhD.

sar:

Very good, very good.

Lawrence:

I think you win the acronym Olympics there. Yeah.

Jeff:

Is this a New York thing or is this a, I don’t actually know about disability culture thing.

Lawrence:

This is one of those, this is what I imagine disability culture to be without doing the actual homework is what this is.

sar:

This is kind of funny because acronyms are themselves extremely inaccessible. So it’s like the most inaccessible way of going about trying to make accessible, culture accessible, but in trying to be accessible about accessible culture, you’ve actually made it even more inaccessible than had you just said No, she’s able bodied.

Jeff:

Right.

Lawrence:

Well, I think it’s trying really hard to make it the subculture with its own lingo and its own in way of talking, but in a way that’s painful in a way that it’s like, I don’t know, akin to Sally Field saying, you like me, you really, really like me. It’s so awareness that you’re just like, oh, give me a freaking break in ways that it’s so transparent and so obvious that folks never really do. It’s those assumptions one makes about how people talk or what community is like. But having never really spent any time with those giving

sar:

Twitter academic activism, am I right?

Jeff:

It’s true. It’s so true. And the thing that that’s most jarring about the assertion of these phrases as common lingo is that there are actual phrases that are common lingo. It is not uncommon for us to refer to normies or walkies. We have these actual phrases that we actually use and the movie was like, Nope, I’m going to make up my own terms and I’m going to assert with authority that these are the terms they all use.

Lawrence:

And it’s a slightly askew, a warped version of those terms and phrases. So instead of saying, which maybe the generation or two before us would maybe say something about tabs or people who are temporarily able bodied. So it’s a bastardization of what kind of sort of did exist, but without having the context to get it right.

Jeff:

Yeah. Now, speaking of context, to get it right, we have to talk about this meeting in the basement.

sar:

I love the basement

Lawrence:

And I love that there’s this Mexican sit off as he starts to go into the room. We don’t know how he got down there, first off, because we learn later there’s a reveal. I’ll let you give the reveal, but we don’t know how the hell he gets to this room to start with at this stage in the story. But when he goes through the dark shadows and gets to the room and knocks on the door and sees them sort of in the distance in the shadows, they open the door and there’s kind of this a Mexican standoff where they’re kind of sizing up each other. Who’s the real, who are you? And you almost hear the Sergio Leone music playing in the background.

Jeff:

Yeah, absolutely.

sar:

This isn’t CDS gang. This is the handicap mafia.

Jeff:

So my question for all of you is this is apparently as the movie sets it up for us, this is a reg that we’re meeting of people who are wannabes. They want to be disabled, but they are not expecting a PWD as the movie says to a real one, a live one to walk into the room. So my question is, what in the ever living hell happens at this meeting on a regular basis? What do these people do at these meetings?

sar:

I have a theory and it’s a little bit bitter and it’s a little bit mean, but I do have a theory, and I do think it was intentional. I think Lawrence was kind of dead on with the anthropology quip, where if you get a bunch of these people where they really want to understand this culture and they’re really lusting after being accepted by that culture, by that community, and you see this a lot with people who talk about Russiaboos, Weeaboo kind of thing, where they’re not X thing, but they love X thing enough that they really want to be or become X thing. So they’re doing it with Crips. So he comes to the basement, a real live Crip with all of these academics who are studying this and want to be able to be an expert on this and want to be accepted in the community.

Sociology, anthropology, critical disability studies, all of these fields who are totally guilty of this, going and doing conferences about people with disabilities with no sense of irony that that’s not the terminology and hasn’t been for as long as I’ve been alive. And then when they encounter someone who has real claim to the identity, or at least passes better to have claim to the identity because the big reveal was that he also doesn’t, which is relevant, but if you’re in this room with all these people who are willing to revere you and put you on a pedestal as this person, I think that’s how you get cultures of academics who will circle jerk themselves, so to speak, about how much they know about a culture they’re not actually a part of, or observing from a distance or only engaging with parts that they’re comfortable with or only engaging with academics who are Crips kind of thing, instead of actually going out into not basement New York and meeting real scare quotes, disabled people who could teach them so much more. I think that was a really obvious literal, very much they’re hitting you on the head with this analogy for people who are either studying this or want really badly to be accepted by it as an expert.

Lawrence:

And I think you’re absolutely right. I mean, I do think that we’re probably giving this movie more credit than it deserves in that regard. But one of the things that strikes me, Sarah, as I listened to your astute analysis, is that these individuals really don’t care about real disabled people. What they’re interested in is their fantasy. What they’re interested in is the cosplay aspect, their notion of what disability is, and they don’t want to invite anything in that might disrupt that magical thinking that might disrupt that false impression that they have. So I think this is really more about being committed to the fantasy than it is about any real interest or inclination to find out about disability, culture, disability, community, even the issues that disabled people face, whether it’s being able to get into a damn taxi or not, those things can’t even broach the threshold of the topic because they all run the risk of disrupting the fantasy.

sar:

But that cosplay aspect is what so many not naming names and we’re not going to of disability, especially academic critical disability, are guilty of, right? They want to pass just enough to be one or be an expert or especially be loved or beloved as an expert.

Lawrence:

So yeah, you want to be sort of disabled adjacent without any of the headaches. Yeah, I think that’s what…

sar:

Yeah, those people who make tons of money doing UDL lectures, but all their information about UDL is wrong. That didn’t actually matter to them. They just want to be known for it because that’s associated with all of these great things about what your cosplay identity is. Look how much she cares. Look how EDI she is.

Lawrence:

Yes, exactly. And that’s why I think they have that face off when he opened. The door opens, there’s like, right, and he is coming into the room. He’s a threat to All right.

sar:

Yeah, absolutely.

Jeff:

And the realest part of the movie might be the one guy saying, I don’t feel comfortable doing this in front of him. And he pulls off his trach tube and they all leave. They pick their wheelchairs up and walk up a flight of stairs to meeting, there’s the reveal.

Lawrence:

So it appears right there in this dark musty, not particularly well lit basement, which says to me without overtly saying it, that this is not an official group in the way that a Alcoholics Anonymous group might meet. That they’re what? Sneaking into the church…

Jeff:

Right, they’re breaking in.

Lawrence:

…basement to have their, and the thing is, I’ve been in that building. That building is where back when I did animal protection work in New York City, that’s where group that worked to get animals spayed neutered would have their meetings. None of them were ever in the basement in a badly lit room. And so I’m like, is this an official get together? Is it not on the bulletin board of the church? Why is it that they then fold their wheelchairs up at the top of the stairs or the bottom of the stairs depending on where you are, and then go down and do their meeting? Right.

sar:

No. It’s giving pager location an hour before meetup.

Jeff:

It’s like the police were going to bust in the door and be like, no, you can’t be pretending that here. And they’re like, we’re not pretenders we are wannabes!

sar:

A cosplay. Police have busted this operation.

Jeff:

Now after the seedy underground meeting, Isaac continues to dig into this subculture and he is introduced to quote, I’m not making this up Ancient Chinese girl. It turns out to be neither ancient nor Chinese. It’s Vera.

Lawrence:

And we’re not certain about the girl part either at this point. Yeah, that’s true.

Jeff:

So Fiona is apparently an extremely wealthy restoration person who has a sexy secret. She likes to wear braces and lingerie. Fiona, it turns out, is not a wannabe at all. She is a P-W-D-H-B trapped in the body of an ABHB. And so if you don’t know what that means, well you’re not a part of the community. Isaac realizes that the best way to tell Fiona’s story is to form a sexual relationship with her to gain her trust and accessed her deepest, darkest, sexiest secrets like a good journalist who does not work for NPR.

sar:

We want to be clear about that.

Lawrence:

Yes. We want to be very, very clear about that.

sar:

The basement mafia was not a one-to-one to the MLA accessibility committee either.

Jeff:

So basically Isaac and Fiona formed this relationship, which is rooted in Fiona being attracted to Isaac’s disabledness. There’s a lot to unpack there.

sar:

There’s a weird relationship I couldn’t quite suss out, and maybe you guys can help me with this. I already brought up, I think a lot more people are more culturally familiar with kind of the wibu culture where you’re kind of fetishizing Asian, especially Japanese women and everything you think they do and anime and all this. But you think that these 30-year-old women are watching children’s cartoons on weekends, and that’s just radically incorrect. And I thought they were going to do something with the casual appropriation of ancient Chinese lady, and she has collections of mid-century, obviously Asian architecture. She had Ming Vs. In her house. There’s a deleted scene where she’s speaking Mandarin. She fetishizes this culture

Lawrence:

And she does, in one of the scenes that did make the cut right in the restaurant, she says, let’s go to a restaurant that neither of us have been to before, which happens to be a Chinese restaurant, and she does her order in Chinese.

sar:

It’s wild. I thought they were going to try to connect the kind of fetishization of culture visually explicitly with the fetishization. Vera Formiga has toward disablement more directly than they did. They didn’t go anywhere with that.

Jeff:

That’s the really interesting thing because on the one hand, you could read this as being a very self-aware critique about that this type of cultural appropriation is exactly what the wannabes and the pretenders are doing for disability. That’s the one possibility. The other possibility is that this movie is really leaning into Orientalism and is trying to use interest in Asian culture as another sexy facet of her identity

sar:

That reading…that’s so dark. It didn’t even cross my mind to tell you that.

Jeff:

Was it a darkly erotic reading, would you say?

sar:

Darkly erotic? Yeah. I mean, I’m not going to say it is not.

Jeff:

I don’t know what the answer is,

Lawrence:

But I would say it’s a fetishized attempt to be erotic. So it’s not true eroticism, you’re not totally owning the kink, right? It’s keeping the kink at arms length. So again, you really don’t invest in it in a way that somebody who let’s say is going to go all in for that kind of thing, might actually do. They’re

sar:

Kind of doing multiple layers of fetishization too, kind of simultaneously. And if this was a smarter film, I would give them credit for it. But this was obviously accidental because you’re a Amiga in the lunch scene. She’s looking around and saying, wow, look, they’re all looking at me. And she’s pretending to be annoyed by this, but you can tell she’s really enjoying the attention. And you think because of the juxtaposition of the scene before where she’s very obviously sexualizing her disabled ness that she’s getting off on it, but she could have also bitten on another level. The conversation we were having in the basement, been getting off on being associated with something that she so badly wants to look like she knows shit about. Which brings you back to the academic Crip critique of wanting to get off on your own knowledge and how other people perceive you seeing the world rather than having any actual

Lawrence:

Knowledge. And there’s a foreshadowing of this, if you remember just before they go to lunch, when they’re first meeting in the park, they’re sort of obsessed with the origin story. How did you become disabled? When did you become disabled? Where were you? What was the temperature of the time of day? All of that sense. And in part scene at one point he blurts out the word gimp and she smiles and then she even comments in a self-aware way that she’s smiling when he says the word gimp. And she asks if he’s kind of toying with her in that way. And so it does sort of foreshadow. I think if it was smarter and more committed, it does sort of foreshadow that possibility, but then drops it and doesn’t go any further.

Jeff:

So I have a theory about this and I’m going to agree with your original tape, Sarah, that I think this is really intentional. So several years before this movie came out, there was a fantastic documentary that was released that’s called Whole, so AC company this before, and this is about this disability I guess or something, this diagnosis of BIID, which is body integrity, sorry, body identity, integrity, dysmorphia, which now people would refer to as probably trans ability, which is this notion of people who identify as disabled. And in whole, one of my favorite things about whole is that they have a bunch of people that have BID, that self-disclose as having a BI. Many of them have been successful in amputating the limb that they felt was not a part of them. And what’s really fascinating about the film for me is that pretty much every person in that film, they ask them, they’re like, oh, so why do you want to be disabled?

Where did this come from? And they’re all like, I don’t know. And then several hours later in the film they’re like, yeah. So there was this time when I was a child and I was having this horrible childhood. My parents were abusing me and everything was terrible. And I had this neighbor who just happened to have the exact same amputation that I fetishized for, and he was beloved, and everyone in the community loved him, and they looked at him lovingly and he was a good father and he loved his children. But yeah, I have no idea why I want the exact same amputation as that person. And one of them had all of these sort of interesting stories where they were going through really rough patches in their life and they saw a disabled person and perceived them to be receivers of warmth and charity, that they were beloved, that they were cared for. And it was all of these things, this attention that wanted in their life and that performing the disability gave them access to these feelings of recognition that they wanted.

Lawrence:

They don’t even give themselves permission to be all those wonderful things without the disability. And that the other thing that really strikes me about the documentary, not quid pro quo, is that they are to the centimeter in terms of where that amputation needs to occur, right? Yeah.

sar:

With Vera Farmiga saying, I want to be T 12 disabled.

Lawrence:

Yes, exactly. T 11 won’t do it. T 10, no Uhuh, no got to be T 11. And so it’s this very sort of an obsession or a fixation on these imagined aspects about what disability is supposed to be that then become the compulsion or the motivation for whatever you’re seeing. Waiter, oh my God. It’s almost like, okay, so speculating. It’s almost like I believe that if, I would like to think like to think that if the director had seen that documentary that they would’ve gone a little bit more in depth and they would’ve, for lack of a better phrase, fleshed out the film better than they actually did. What I’m imagining is that they saw a blurb or a trailer for the documentary and they speculated everything else. They imagined everything else based on what the trailer or what the one paragraph blurb about the documentary would’ve said. Yeah,

Jeff:

That’s my theory as well. I think that they had some awareness if not of whole. There was also a series of articles in the press around the time that whole came out. So kind of 2004, 2005, which is probably right around the time he started writing the script. If the movie comes out in ’08, he probably was working on this thing in ’06, right?

sar:

Okay. Working with that theory, because that’s kind of a third level of socioemotional fetishization we’re now working with here. If we’re going from the kind of base sexual, then you move up to the kind of pseudo intellectual community acceptance, and then you move up toward the socio-emotional like, I belong nowhere else. This is the only place I belong. And I think you’re with me on the film’s concept until you cross the border from funny academic parody of intellectual fetish to toward people who have developed emotional fixations and disorders around not being who they say they are, particularly because you can’t talk about this without somebody then bringing up the trans community. Absolutely. But because this whole documentary, and I said this to Jeff yesterday when we were watching the movie, especially Vera Farmiga scenes where she’s quite literally sexually getting off on people looking at her. I’m like, this is kind of a republican fearmongering masterpiece. You can use this film as this definitive text of look at how many people fake disability for all these socioeconomic benefits and to feel better about themselves. This is why we won’t help any of them. And it does a fantastic job at that narrative. And I don’t think it meant to,

Lawrence:

In the incarnation of me after I left New York City, was to go immediately to Washington DC to work for the federal government. And my role there was for an independent federal agency called the National Council on Disability. That’s mandate is basically to recommend federal disability policy to the President Congress and other federal agencies. So I was basically as the comms lead for the agency, I was translating public policy speak and lawyer ease to the mass public, to the general public and turning it into plain language. And what is absolutely fascinating to me about that thesis right there, the assumption is that all someone has do is go on disability, which is what you fill out one piece of paper and then you take it into the Social security office and magically all your needs are met when in reality, 66% of all social security claims, like first social security claims are denied right off the bat. It’s a years long process whether or not you actually achieve the goal. I think your odds in getting, let’s say social security disability from the government in terms of government support go up, increase three times if you get an attorney, but most people can’t afford an attorney. And so they’re left in this limbo for years and years.

sar:

Oh, a hundred percent.

Lawrence:

And so the Republican fantasy is that all you have to do is say you’re disabled and then you get an accessible vehicle and you get somebody to come to your home and wipe your backside and you get an accessible apartment and everything is magically taken care of, quite like the magic shoes feeds into that fantasy ever with, ever without ever giving anybody the option to reality check it or to fact check it, right? It’s just presented as fact. It’s there in the ether and it’s there. That’s the ecosystem in this alternate universe in which this story takes place, and none of it is questioned as phony. It’s all accepted as fact.

sar:

But I think that’s the problem. It’s not marketing itself as an alternative universe. It’s positing itself in hyper reality and saying, look at all these bastards faking it. What are we going to do? And if I were a Republican candidate when this came out, I would be showing screenings of this film. If I were against socioeconomic policy and people getting support for disability, I would show this film every Saturday and try to get people to come see,

Lawrence:

Look these weirdos, look at these weirdos. Why do we have Medicare, Medicaid?

sar:

This is what we’re up against.

Lawrence:

This is what we’re up against. And scaring grandma. And sort of affirming air quotes here, or confirming every fantasy or every false notion about disability, because what is the narrative? The narrative is that people are going to game the system and that people don’t really need the supports and don’t really need the assistance, and that they’re taking advantage in some way of the kindness of society or those benefactors, which is anybody that’s ever had to apply for disability benefits can tell you it’s no walk in the park. And I wouldn’t wish that process on anybody. So it’s again, divorced from the reality that people face. But if you don’t know anything about it and you haven’t seen the sausage being made, you wouldn’t know the difference.

sar:

Yeah, a hundred percent. Your experience with this community is the basement handicap mafia. This is reality.

Lawrence:

Okay. Can I say one more thing too about her sort of fetishization of it, right? Some of the language that she uses and that is used in this portion of the film is very telling to me. I mean, one of the things she says that nervousness when she reveals herself to him goes into the other room. She comes back wearing what’s called a Milwaukee brace, and it’s kind of soft lighting and sexy, and you can imagine candles being burned, and she talks about being nervous to reveal herself to him. And then she says, nervousness is shame that somebody else catches you feeling. And in watching that scene, I was struck one, she’s got the leg braces on, but leg braces are designed anatomically to give weak legs, additional support for strength, for stamina, for balance, right? They’re usually locked at the ankles and they’re locked at the knees. These braces that she’s wearing are neither, she simply just saunters into the room without these braces doing the job that they were intended for

sar:

Kind of the ultimate visual metaphor of taking disability

Lawrence:

For the entire film!

sar:

Quid Pro Quo in general…

Lawrence:

If you haven’t lived it or if you haven’t done your homework, you wouldn’t notice those little details. But it’s those details, those nuances where you can actually spot a fake, right?

sar:

Well, she knows it too, because she’s so ready to share this really out there research on which vertebrae affects which muscles in your body. There’s no way she doesn’t know. No.

Lawrence:

Right? Absolutely. And then she basically jumps him, right? He does. Then she basically jumps him. So maybe, okay, you’re going to, are we going to find out if he can actually have sex at this point? He can sort of pushes back and says, wait, there’s somebody else. And here’s the gotcha, right? She’s actually paraplegic, right? And you see the wannabe kind of recoil in the way that you, I almost like Sunset Boulevard or something and the silent movie over the top. And so there’s this very, they go their whole little banter and start coming onto him again. And then they’re both in their wheelchairs making out and it’s getting the wheel steamy. And I’m like, wow, where are we going here? This is interesting.

sar:

They do the sexy wheelchairs spinning around each other wheel.

Lawrence:

And I remember thinking at this point, okay, maybe this film is redeemable, but before I’d seen the end like, oh, this is interesting. I’m curious to, and what does she do? Right in the middle of the hotness, she stands up and blows the mood

Jeff:

All while attempting to uncover the truth behind BIID. Isaac has been obsessing over a pair of fancy shoes that he sees at the window of a local pawn shop, buying them and trying them on a miracle occurs with the shoes Isaac can walk. Isaac begins to transition out of his PWD era and toward an ab era with his magic shoes, much to the chagrin of Fiona, who just doesn’t find Wiess sexy as their relationship phrase. Fiona steals the magic shoes and gives Isaac an ultimatum. If you want to walk again, you must disable me, Isaac. To investigate Fiona’s history, only to discover is shock and truth. Fiona, it turns out, was the young girl who caused the childhood car crash killing his parents and allegedly paralyzing him. But OMG guys, wait.

Lawrence:

Yes.

Jeff:

Isaac has hysterical paralysis for 20 years and is not actually disabled. No doctor ever told him. Fiona giving him the gift of his lives back then stares, longingly out his window before disappearing. And our 80 something minute episode of Touched by an Angel comes to a merciful end.

sar:

Excellent reference. That show was just heinous hysterical. Okay. I think the most interesting thing about the hysterical paralysis flash, psychosomatic injury arc was that this movie concedes pretty early on. It does not need any actual experts in the conversation. It doesn’t want lived experience experts. It doesn’t want cryp lifers, it doesn’t want anybody who’s in Crip community or academic community. It doesn’t even really want people who actually in big scare quotes are suffering from any of these BIID or et cetera, identity crises. They just want to have their experience in the moment entirely supplanted by anyone else’s approval or evidence. But the entire movie is about all of these people constantly wanting the approval of others. So there’s this kind of ironic injury, bit of, I think physical therapy is bullshit and magic Hughes are the answer, and I refuse to go see a doctor or I refuse to go see a psychiatrist. And all of those things would’ve literally fixed all my problems. But in lieu of that, I found that magic and being insanely selfish cured me all the same. That’s a dangerous message.

Lawrence:

Well, it’s an easy way out if you don’t have to do the homework. You don’t have to actually invest any time, effort, energy, or attention into the reality. You just make this shit up and then roll with it. And I think that’s what the problem with this film that you see over and over and over again, that it would set up these suppositions and then say, ah, logic be damned reality be damned. We’re just going to commit to this thing halfway half commit to it and then let you ascribe to it or attach to it, whatever you will. And there’s this, what you can see, I think that tug of war, that push pull that you’re talking that crisis of identity or conscience in the scene in the museum where she works, she’s a restorer of these artifacts or knickknacks.

And I love this because the knick stall character we’ve already established, he’s gone to work with crutches. He’s now not using the wheelchair. I believe he actually walks into the museum or wherever it is that she works using crutches or some sort of assistance. Is there a wheelchair? So you get to go a wheelchair, what happens, right? Yeah. But then you see him using the hospital issue, not his own wheelchair, but the hospital issue wheelchair, the one you can borrow at the museum if you get fatigued and then goes to visit her in her office and she’s got something she wants to tell him, he’s got something he wants to tell her. And then you literally have this role reversal with this, not ROLE, no, no, ROLL where he is what is getting up out of the wheelchair. And she then sits in it

sar:

Freaky Friday with the worst possible circumstances.

Lawrence:

And as he’s standing up, as he’s standing up and he’s excited, I can walk, it’s a miracle you’ll never walk alone. All this is happening. She’s going, no, no, no, no, no. And she’s kind of doing the here, no evil speak, no evil, see no evil thing. And she’s freaking out. She’s not at all interested in him or him walking or what his desires or needs are. She wants to maintain that fantasy, but

sar:

She wasn’t interested exactly the same way. So it really is the touched by an angel body change moment. Yeah,

Lawrence:

They were both guilty here, right? I mean they’re both doing the inverse of the same thing. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

sar:

The moral of the story was if you are straight and white, shit will eventually just work out with you no matter how

Jeff:

That, yeah, I got to say the look of revulsion on her face when he gets up, sustains me because that was sort of the face I had watching this movie. Yeah.

Lawrence:

Finally I can identify with someone.

Jeff:

Yeah, I finally, this is my screen projection. I could put myself in her shoes. This is how I feel. So I think that the ultimate back stab of this movie, the ultimate sin of this text is the way that it presents disability in the first half as this cool hip subculture and then immediately betrays it in the second half by giving us another cure narrative. Where next all had to walk in the end. And as far as we know, Fiona does not end up disabling herself or may have jumped out a window. It’s very unclear what happened to her character. She vanishes

Lawrence:

Her neck, she literally throws him, there’s a big sort of face off, another face off right in her apartment and a conflict where she literally grabs him and throws him out of the wheelchair, throws him out of his wheelchair, and then poof, disappears. I can walk never

sar:

To be seen. We were debating whether or not she had died by suicide at the end of that, because I think, and I know the movie itself says, and then she moved away and everything was better. I dunno, I’m not convinced

Jeff:

By that. It does say that she couldn’t find her, that she asked, said he couldn’t find her.

Lawrence:

I never saw her again. That’s the last time, something like that.

Jeff:

Which is why I think she was an angel. So here’s my hot take. Are you ready for my hot take?

sar:

We’re not doing Touch by an Angel. That movie died at the end of the eighties for a reason.

Jeff:

My hot take is she also died in the car accident and she has been growing up as a ghost in this world, and that when she restored his walking ability, she was then allowed to leave this planet and finally transcended the after.

Lawrence:

So the director’s not only ripping off Cronenberg, Lynch, Michael Powell, Brian De Palma, but ripping off M. Night Shyamalan as well.

sar:

Isn’t everyone really ripping off Shyamalan?

Jeff:

Well, if only,

sar:

Okay, my rebuttal to that, A, the film just makes it fucking impossible if you haven’t seen it. She interacts with dozens of strangers and is not Haley, Joel Osmond. But B, I’ve been thinking the past couple minutes based on our conversation about the scene where she goes home with her, it’s a mom ex boyfriend, her mom, and they have that really weird conversation about, okay, mom, you are not the final arbiter on who gets to make great porcelain on Elephant. So that’s the thing she has in her basement for the reversal. And now I’m thinking, and this might also give the film way too much credit. What if that elephant, the only reason it got so much dialogue was to be kind of the central metaphor for that reversal scene. Because the whole thing was kind of an exploration of the ability part of disability and what so many abs abled people get so caught up in when they’re talking about disability.

It has to be about, well, what can you do? Or what are you able to do? Instead of any of the conversations Crips actually want to have about like, okay, well can you not just take that for granted, which is how you get stuff like ability achievement centers and shit that everybody thinks are so offensive. She’s doing that conversation with that stupid fucking porcelain elephant with her mom. And I didn’t connect it until right now where she’s saying, I don’t know who the fuck made you the arbiter of who gets to make great porcelain elephants.

Jeff:

But I think the amazing part of that scene is that the writer director is the Fiona character because somebody, his mother should have told him before making this film, you haven’t done a single drawing class. You cannot make a beautiful elephant.

sar:

There are actually arbiters of this and also ability and they’re called experts. And that’s what all of you need.

Jeff:

And it’s just wild to me that in this film, there’s this conversation of like, you can’t just manifest something. You have to actually work at something and learn about something in order to do it. And clearly the producers of this film didn’t do that work on disability community before making a film about disability community.

Lawrence:

It’s the overcoming narrative, right? You’re overcoming all these obstacles without any thought recognition or realization about the reality of any it, right? You just work hard enough or you will it into being right and it can be. So it’s the inspiration porn on steroids. Yeah,

Jeff:

Absolutely.

sar:

But with the flavor of all of these levels of ability, the sexual ability, the intellectual,

Lawrence:

Yeah,

sar:

Emotional ability,

Lawrence:

Which are hyper able, right?

sar:

Well, Nick Stall going to tell you, he’s hyper able.

Lawrence:

If the studio hadn’t butchered it up and cut out all of these scenes, Allah, magnificent Andersons, what could quid pro quo have been for audiences and the disability community?

Jeff:

Probably still garbage. But we have a way of determining this because here at Inval culture, of course, we have a fully empirical, rigorous scientific methodology which we use to evaluate the quality of the films that we have viewed. So let’s see how quid pro quo does on the invalid culture scale. Our first question, on a scale of one to five, with five being the least accurate, how accurately does this film portray disability?

Lawrence:

5.5.

sar:

You can’t do that. That’s against the rules.

Lawrence:

Five. All right. It’s five because they just got none of the details. None of them from our walking around without the braces locked to the magically appearing ramp. There’s a scene in the museum where she’s there talking to somebody and you see him arrive, show up from behind, he’s in the distance. There are four stairs there, and there’s a ramp. There is a ramp that they’ve added onto the stairs that are magically there, appear out of nowhere, that he’s then able to wheel down and then go over and see them. This is in the third act of the film. There are things like this. Nobody has an issue getting into a taxi cab. He talks about not being able to ride in a taxi, but then you see him in one. There’s so many inconsistencies throughout here that don’t speak true to reality. So I would say on this, I give it a five for those reasons.

sar:

Lawrence, the New York King, you know how I knew this was bullshit because of the cabs? Lemme tell you,

Alright, I’m going to give it, I’m going to give it a three. And I agree with Lawrence that they get just about everything wrong, but I think at least some of the time they’re very intentionally getting it wrong. And that’s when we were talking about kind of the levels of feta that were going on there, but I don’t think it sticks the landing. It wants to get some stuff wrong to try to start some of these actually pretty great conversations about the lengths of ability and how we arbit ability and all of these things. And it just does it so badly that I called it the Republican fearmongering masterpiece because it got a lot more to convince you that disabled people are trying to just pull one over on you at all times.

Jeff:

Yeah, I’m going to split the difference on this. I’ve even a four for basically all of the same reasons. I didn’t give it the full five because as host of this show, I have literally seen worse. And that is a staggering statement to say

sar:

Sobering,

Jeff:

Sobering thoughts with Jeff Preston. On a scale of one to five, with five being the hardest, how hard was it for you to get through this film?

Lawrence:

I got to give it a three because I was completely gobsmacked by it. And I remember thinking, how the hell are they going to end this thing? Just when I thought it couldn’t get any worse, it did. And I was completely fascinated by knowing that it probably wasn’t going to improve the film. It was a car crash of a movie. And I did find myself intellectually interested in just how they’re going to wrap this train wreck up. So I think I give that a three for those reasons.

sar:

I’m going to say a two. And that’s because when I’m doing a film theory for films that aren’t garbage, I’m actually a huge fan of Vera Amiga. I think she’s a really gifted horror film actress in particular, and she’s unstoppable in Bates Motel. So as soon as she came on, I went from casual disinterest in this movie to wrapped attention. I was paying attention to everything, trying to figure out some gem in the screenplay she apparently saw to sign onto this film and I never found it. But if she ever hears this honest to God dying to know,

Jeff:

I suspect that they were given the script one page at a time.

sar:

I’m already in. I’ve deposited the money,

Lawrence:

I signed the contract. I can’t get on now. I’m trapped. They’re going to take my leg braces away.

Jeff:

So I gave this a three. It’s not the worst thing I’ve ever watched, but lordy, this movie is so horny and I have never felt less aroused in my entire life. In fact, I think you could show this film to high school students and it might lead to abstinence. So I’m going to give this a three. It’s not the worst, but there are some painful moments. On a scale of one to five, with five being the maximum, how often did you laugh at things that were not supposed to be funny?

Lawrence:

Again, there’s the belly laughter, the guffaw, the I can’t believe how wrong that is. And then there’s kind of that shake my head laugh. Did that really just, did I just see that? Did they just say that kind of curiosity, right? With a raised eyebrow. So I think I was probably at a round a four there because after a certain point where it seemed like it was not, I held out hopes at the beginning that it was going to be redeemed. When it became clear that there was no redeeming this piece of trash, then I just was like, all right, enjoy the ride. See where this thing goes. And so yeah, I’d say that’s about four.

sar:

I think my bias is that whenever Jeff wants to watch a movie with me, the scale is irrevocably screwed because I know we’re not going to be watching a Hollywood blockbuster. So I kind of subdue my expectations as soon as Jeff says, okay, this is the one I want to watch. So I’m looking at between Christmas Evil to at Best Freaky Friday. So within that scale, I actually thought we did pretty well. I’ll give it a four. I was pretty entertained by this film, and I’ll give it the credit of, because I know a lot of my friends and Jeff’s friends are like legit disability theorists. This film does reward you for applying theory where you absolutely shouldn’t. We have two great conversations about where this could have gone.

Lawrence:

Yes, its own bizarro land Easter egg, right? Unintentional Easter egg for those who conceive of such things. Yeah.

Jeff:

Yeah. So I came in on a five on this one. I thought this movie was hilarious. And I don’t think it was trying to be, I think it was trying to be, as it says, it says it’s a darkly erotic tale. They were trying to be so sexy and cool and noir and this is bloody comedy. It is hilarious.

Lawrence:

So this could be sort of the disability equivalent of the room, Jeff, is that what you’re saying?

Jeff:

Oh man, it is dangerously close.

Lawrence:

Imagine. So yeah, imagine what the objects we would be that we’d bring into the screening to throw at the screen.

Jeff:

Oh God. Braces.

sar:

And everyone brings stuffed elephants. And when we went to the elephant scene, everybody stands up shaking it like I’m the elephant. I can arbit my own fate

Jeff:

Oh no…

Lawrence:

Don’t forget the shoes.

Jeff:

Oh yeah. You got to wear, wear your fancy shoes. Oh lord.

sar:

Jeff, we should unironically suggest to The Princess, who holds room viewings like five or six times a year, that we would host disability screenings of this film. Anytime.

Lawrence:

Alright, here is my pledge to you. If you can arrange this feat, this coup d’etat, if you can get the room to screen this film as a midnight movie, I will either by plane, train, boat, or donkey find a way to get there to be part of it.

Jeff:

Yes. Done. The challenge is out. And I think that this is now, I think the third or fourth GoFundMe that we have pitched on this podcast here. So open those wallets folks.

sar:

But that’s what I actually want.

Jeff:

Oh, I want all of them. Come on. You don’t want a sequel to Tiptoes? We need a sequel to Tiptoes.

Lawrence:

Oh SO right. Oh my God. We need to, yeah, we should make this a weekend. There’s so much that can be done here.

Jeff:

Absolutely. Last but not least, scale of one to five, with five being the most, how many steps back did this film put? Disabled people?

Lawrence:

You couldn’t call this the escalator, you couldn’t call this the, is the Mount Everest of films that set back disabled people. One, because none of it’s informed by actual experience of disabled people or disability community. As Sarah so rightly put, it’s all the imagined all the worst things that the worst Republicans bearing in mind that George W. Bush a Republican is who signed the a DA. But since that time, right? All the worst fantasies about disability that we’ve been conditioned to adopt or accept. And so I would say I don’t even, this goes to the moon and back. I don’t know that I can calculate the number of steps that this has set disability back. But I will say that if someone goes into it with sort of a literal mindset, that’s the case. However, if you are an imaginative personality, if you are someone who is somewhat seeped in disability history or disability culture or disability community, and you’re someone who likes to pull back the curtain and pay attention to whatever’s behind there and what’s taking place, I’d say that it’s a zero and that it’s a wealth of opportunity to explore and examine and to dissect.

I think ultimately it depends on the audience, but I would say since most people who have been exposed to this film are not in seeped in any of those wonderful things that I just mentioned, I’m going to give it a five.

sar:

Yeah, I think I said in the first episode that if this movie had come out before the ADA had passed, this would’ve introduced significant difficulty of the ADA becoming law which is impressive for one film to have that kind of power

Lawrence:

…that kind of power, right? Yeah.

sar:

It definitely strikes me as a film that would resonate strongly with people who were already suspicious of disability culture. So for that reason, I’d have to give it a five.

Jeff:

Yeah. I’m going to complete the triad. I gave this a five because watching this movie was the first time that I didn’t want to be disabled because I didn’t want to be a part of any of this. So because it undid my identity.

Lawrence:

So this film would’ve made you renounce.

Jeff:

I’ve renounced it all. If this is disability, I’ve renounce.

sar:

You don’t want to be in CDS gang. You want to be in handicap Mafia.

Jeff:

Yeah, sorry. Yes. Okay. Okay. I can, if there’s an opportunity for me to meet in a dank basement with the wannabes, I’ll hang out there. I guess.

sar:

You would do it. You would do it once.

Jeff:

Oh, you got to try it once.

sar:

Jeff Preston will do anything once. You got to try it once.

Jeff:

You haven’t lived until you’ve hung out in a basement with one of these.

sar:

So Jeff’s review is, this is the first piece of cultural media that made me actually regret being disabled. So is that a five?

Jeff:

That’s a five. That is a pure five.

sar:

Alright. You want to know the total? You want to give me a drum roll?

Jeff:

Yeah. Drum roll.

Lawrence:

[drum roll noises]

sar:

48

Jeff:

With a 48 Quid Pro Quo, unsurprisingly but very deservingly, has won the coveted Jerry Lewis seal of approval. We did it, gang.

sar:

That was it. As soon as this movie ended, I knew this was going to be a really funny episode.

Lawrence:

And to quote Mr. Lewis, right, those half persons imprisoned in their steel chairs,

Jeff:

They should just stay home if they don’t want to be pity.

Lawrence:

Right? If you don’t want to be pity, just stay home. Right. Or in the basement of a dank.

Jeff:

Yeah.

Lawrence:

Certain churches.

Jeff:

Yeah. Well, that concludes our episode. Thank you so much, Lawrence, for joining us. Thank you, Sarah, for being here. I’m really sorry that I’m your friend and thank you to the audience for joining us, and please do not watch this movie

Mvll Crimes (theme song):

Not going out today because I’m feeling too upset. Arguing with strangers on the Internet. Everyone is wrong, I just haven’t told them yet.

 

Movie poster for The Great Land of Small, featuring a drawn nature scene with man holding open a sack of magic dust.

Definitive proof that LSD and Cirque du Soleil do not mix…

While other movie companies in the 80s were riding the Beefcake wave or chasing Oscars with cripped up monstrosities, a little production team in Canada was doing something very different…creating nightmare fuel aimed at children. The Great Land of Small might not be the worst representation of disability we’ve covered on this pod but it might be the strangest film we’ve covered so far. Joined by victim Adam Kearney, we try to figure out what the heck the Great Land of Small is and debate whether or not this even counts as a disability film.

Listen at…

Grading the Film

As always, this film is reviewed with scores recorded in four main categories, with 1 being the best and 5 being the worst. Like the game of golf, the lower the score the better.

How accurate is the representation?

Jeff – 2 / 5

Adam – 2 / 5

Total – 4 / 10

How difficult was it to watch the movie?

Adam – 3 / 5

Jeff – 4 / 5

Total – 7 / 10

How often were things unintentionally funny?

Jeff – 2 / 5

Adam – 3 / 5

Total – 5 / 10

How far back has it put disabled people?

Adam – 2 / 5

Jeff – 2 / 5

Total – 4 / 10

The Verdict

Regrets, I have a few…

Transcript – Part 1

Trailer narrator:

Beyond our world, there lies a secret land, a land of magic, mystery, friendship, and wonder. A land where it doesn’t matter how big you are, just how big you dream. The great land of small. Rated G.

Jeff:

You are listening to invalid culture, a podcast dedicated to excavating the strangest and most baffling media representations of disability. This podcast is all about staring into the abyss of pop culture adjacent films that never quite broke through because well, they’re just awful. So buckle up folks – the following content is rated I for invalid.

Mvll Crimes (theme song):

I’m arguing with strangers on the internet not going out today because I’m feeling too upset with strangers on and I’m winning.

Jeff:

Welcome back to another thrilling episode of Invalid Culture. As always, I am your host, Jeff Preston, and today I’m joined by old friend, graphic designer, exceptional human being. Adam Kearney, how are you doing?

Adam:

I’m okay. I don’t know about the exceptional human being part, but yeah, I’m doing good and thanks for having me on here.

Jeff:

Totally. So for our listeners, I assume all of them are stalkers of yours, but for the one or two that aren’t, who are you, Adam?

Adam:

Oh man. If I had stalkers that really spice up my life, I’m Adam Kearney, as you mentioned, a graphic designer and a general creative. I like to say I struggle with identifying as an artist, but a lot of my creative output would be considered art, I guess. I have a side hustle called Hand Cut Company. I make Spoony spoon rings a rings out of old spoons, and I make necklaces out of the parts that I cut off. And I’ve also babbled a little bit in writing. I’ve written three memoir essays, which I was fortunate enough to ask you to write two forwards for, which is also why I felt obligated to appear on this podcast. I felt like it was in the fine prints of the paperwork I signed. But yeah, also, if you’re interested in checking out some of the things, I’ve made a hand cut company on Instagram. There’s a website there too. You can access the essays that Jeff was nice enough to edit and write forwards for as pay what you can downloads on there as well. I’ve kind recently become a bit of a event organizer with a few friends. I’ve started Punk Rock Flea Market Chatham in hopes of creating a bit of a community for all the misfits in our area. And other than that I, I’ve got a dog life partner named Pogue. That means the world to me. And I think that’s all I got.

Jeff:

Yeah, I know. I think that’s pretty good. I got to say I got a couple of really nice hand cut stickers that I use. I got a really nice wheelchair fascist smashing sticker and a Oh yeah, yeah. Algorithms killing humanity sticker on my laptop.

Adam:

I get a lot of comments about that sticker you asked me to make this machine kills fascists.

Jeff:

Hell yeah.

Adam:

Anti fascist wheelchair logo on it. I love it. It’s on my laptop.

Jeff:

Now, there’s another connection actually that you and I have, which is that we are both disabled. No, not actually the real thing. Well, that is a thing, but the real thing is that I was

Adam:

Going to say, wait a minute, we aren’t.

Jeff:

Yeah, no, we’re not actually disabled. This has all just been a giant ploy to them. Sweet benefits. No, not actually. But the real thing is that both of us, like many young people with disabilities, people born with disabilities have experiences working our way through the disability camp system. And so I thought that might be a really interesting place for us. Just to start, just for a little aside, because both of us have experienced camp on both sides. Both sides as campers, but also as organizers within the camps. And so yeah, disability camps, is this a thing that we have not talked enough about as unintentional organizing spaces for disabled people?

Adam:

Well, organizing, but also really, I’ve reflected a lot on it lately, especially after watching Crip camp in just the community there outside of social justice and connection there, just the sense of being in community of other individuals with a shared life experience. It really adds a certain context to how we navigate life, those frustrations and obstacles. So many of us face is just common knowledge between us. And so when you don’t have to spend a lot of your time explaining what frustrates you to strangers, you’re able to really dive deeper into conversation and connection. And so it really kind of makes me sad and it’s partly why I started distancing myself from the organization that shall not be named when they start transitioning away from offering camp programs and closing some of the camps that you and I both attended. I feel like there’s been at least a couple generations now that have kind of lost out on that opportunity.

Jeff:

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I got to tell you, I’ll never forget the first time I went to camp and I remember being in my dorm and there’s a bunch of dudes with disabilities, various sort of physical disabilities, and we’re doing one of, you get in a circle and you introduce yourself, and I was the last person to introduce myself. And as everybody does in your mind, you’re preparing what you’re going to say. And I was used to introducing myself. And the way that I always had to introduce myself was, I’m Jeff. I have a muscular dystrophy, had it since birth. I have done charity work. I was a poster child. I have had these surgeries. These are the things I cannot do. But this is the typical way that you’re kind of expected to disclose and to present yourself in a world because that’s what people want to know about you typically.

And I remember being in this circle, and as we’re going around, it was like, oh yeah, I know. Literally everybody around this room have done charity work. Literally everyone around this room has a celebrity friend. Everyone around this room has an award named after them. Everyone in this room has the experiences that I’ve had. And so when it got to me, I was like, well, shoot, how am I going to differentiate myself? And so it was like, yeah, my name is Jeff. I like Star Wars fishing and hockey, and that’s who I am. And it was weirdly liberating and also deeply depressing in that moment of realization that I never got to necessarily be Jeff who likes hockey, fishing and Star Wars. It was always, I’m Jeff, I’m disabled, and then those things exist too, but that’s not what people want to know. And so I found that really fascinating in camp that there was this opportunity to be, I don’t want to say your authentic self, but to be more than just your impairment label.

Adam:

Yeah, I completely agree with that. And I feel like that’s what I was touching on, that when you’re not kind of always introducing yourself by that identifier, you’re allowed to show up in a different way when you’re not putting your energy into that. And I found it afforded me a lot of opportunities that I wouldn’t have gotten had I not been part of that community. Certainly I had a different relationship with it because when I got to be a teenager, I applied to be a leader in training and make the transition from camper to counselor. And I found in hindsight now that that transition actually provided me space to disassociate from my disability to move up the hierarchy of disability in a way that turned out to be really unhealthy because in hindsight, I was no longer really in community with individuals with disability. I was no longer a peer. And I feel like I really struggled with that for a long time without realizing it, and it really makes me look back much more fondly on those days now, and I really wish I’d continued on a different path in a certain way, but hindsight’s always 2020

Jeff:

Yeah, as they say. Yeah, and I think that’s the other side of me with the camp story that I think is important for us to think about is that a lot of disability camps, yeah, there could be these incredible spaces of productive radicalization of disabled kids, of which I think is a good thing. I don’t mean that as a bad thing, but I think the bad thing is that a lot of these spaces though, are created by charities and charities that are often beholden to medical understandings of disability. So you are building this space, but it’s a space that tends to be structured by these hierarchies of ability, structured by the idea of the care provider versus the care receiver. You get these sort of thin, increasingly strong lines built between those who organize the camp, the providers of care, and those who are attending the camp and those who are the receivers of care. That’s, I think, something that we need to really engage with and think about. What would a camp, a disability justice camp perhaps look like that gets away from some of those medical imperatives that structure many of the camp experiences that people go into right now.

Adam:

Yeah. Yeah. That’s really interesting because it was something I noticed in Crip Camp in that they really kind of featured how integrated the caregivers were in their daily life. They were hanging around and chumming around, whereas, I don’t know about your camp because we went to different camps. There was that kind of separation, although I still managed to connect with a handful of counselors in a very personal and engaging way. I remember one counselor, Chris Berry, introduced me to all sorts of punk music and zine culture and all this stuff that being a teenager growing up in a small town, Chatham, Ontario, I wouldn’t have been exposed to. And so it was by going to camp, I got exposed to how other people live, other culture, other things. But yeah, it really is interesting to see that hierarchy or I don’t know the right word to describe that separation.

Jeff:

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I will say my first camp experience was a counselor informing me. She was a woman and informing me that her father had met her mother at that camp. One of them, I think the father was the counselor, and her mother was a camper, and they later got married and had her, and I was like, well, that’s a weird introduction, and now I don’t know how to feel about our relationship that we’re forming right now. Yikes. So yeah, I avoided that counselor for the remainder of my time. Yeah, I was just a little weirded out by that.

Adam:

You’re saying that’s not how you met your wife?

Jeff:

No, my wife and I did not meet…well, we did actually meet at a camp. A different kind of camp, which is called University. It’s a very expensive camp. Yeah. Now I want to pick up on this sort of point you made is this thing about learning how other people live because I think that is a great segue to the wonderful piece of torture that you’ve provided for me this month for Invalid Culture, which is of course, the 1980s Canadian made for TV movie, the Great Land of Small.

Adam:

I would apologize if I actually felt bad about this. I feel like you’ve subjected me to a lot of movies that I feel were kind of questionable. But

Jeff:

Yeah, I was just going to say, why this movie? Why did we watch this movie, Adam?

Adam:

So I actually don’t know the full origin story of it, but at some point, my mother discovered that there was an actor with the same disability as me, osteogenesis Imperfecta, and he starred in this movie called The Great Land of the Small and subjected us to watching it multiple times, and it really doesn’t make a lot of sense this movie, and it doesn’t make a lot of sense to a young child. I think it’s been well over 20 years since I’ve watched this movie, but when you were kind of discussing about possible movies that we could watch and discuss on this podcast, I threw this one out, and so that’s how we landed in the predicament we are currently in

Jeff:

And quite the predicament we are in. So for this month, we watched The Great Land of Small, which is a very difficult film to get your hands on. You can rent it or buy it on several, no one streaming platform, at least in Canada. Apple TV is the only place that you can physically access it for money or you can watch a, I want to say a five to 10 pixel version of the film on YouTube. If you look it up, some generous soul has broken copyright law and placed it on the internet, although I don’t know that they broke the law because there is only about half of the pixels from the movie included in the video online.

Adam:

It’s definitely a rip from a VHS too. It has the square frame formatting and the little bit of bad tracking along the top of it. At a few moments,

Jeff:

It looks like a VHS that has been sitting beside a magnet and then ripped onto a computer and then encoded to be the worst possible video possible

Adam:

Accurate.

Jeff:

So for those of you who haven’t seen this, which I again assume is probably only one or two of you listening, what is the great land of Small? Well, we found a summary on a website called Kittle. Kittle is allegedly a dictionary or an encyclopedia for children, and this is how they describe the great land of small two children. Jenny and David meet a leprechaun like creature called Fritz in the woods. However, his gold dust is being stolen by a wicked hunter, only mimic the Indian knows the creatures is in our world. As the hunter becomes mad with power, he attempts to capture Fritz and the children with mimics help they escaped to the land of small, a mystical, magical land. Does that describe the movie that we watched

Adam:

In some ways? Yes.

Jeff:

Sort of

Adam:

Loosely. I’ve certainly read worst descriptions of movies. I think the really odd thing about the description and the movie is no one actually refers to the character as a leprechaun. No. And there is no real allusion to him being a leprechaun other than he appears at the bottom of a rainbow and he doesn’t have a pot of gold. Instead, he has a satchel of what appears to be gold dust,

Jeff:

Magical gold dust

Adam:

Magical gold dust, and a nugget, I believe, a single nugget of gold.

Jeff:

Yes, I will say that in investigating this film, Fritz is described as a leprechaun. Fritz is described as a magical figure, magical. There’s a lot of weird ways of describing Fritz, but there is no clarity on what Fritz is.

Adam:

I would agree.

Jeff:

Now, obviously the politically incorrect phrase here describing Mimic as quote “the Indian,” which I believe they mean indigenous. I wanted to follow that up with you, though I did not know or read Mimic as being an indigenous person.

Adam:

No, and actually I didn’t realize he was supposed to be indigenous in character. However, I feel in hindsight, our opinion here might differ. I think you feel as though Mimic is a character who displays disability, certain qualities, but I feel those qualities might be racial stereotypes.

Jeff:

Interesting. Okay. Well, let’s put a pin in that and come back to it because I want to get into that. Okay, so what is this film? So the film is produced as part of a long running television movie series dubbed Tales for All created by the Quebec firm, Les Productions, Lafe, which were generally adaptations of children’s books or they were movies that were then turned into children’s books. It was one of those kind of multimedia type situations. Now, this is the fifth film of the series, which was released in 1986. The most recent film released in the series number 25 was released in 2023 a year ago.

Adam:

I’m still blown away by that. This franchise will not quit.

Jeff:

No, this is like The Avengers: Quebec. The Tales for All Collection has also allegedly won more than 200 international awards. I have no sourcing on what those awards are. That is just what they’ve claimed. Now, this film itself is not as you would imagine, necessarily a English only production. This was produced both for an English market as well as a French market, and in Quebec and anywhere else where French is spoken, the film has a different name. So in English, the title of the film is The Great Land of Small. However, in French, the film translates to the title. It’s not because we’re small that we can’t be big, which I guess is a way too long title for an English film. It’s also way too long for a French film, I would say, but I feel that title is maybe more accurate than the Great Land of Small to what this movie is about.

Adam:

I really agree with you there, especially we’ll get to it later. When you get to the Great Land of the Small, there is a real lack of small

Jeff:

No, exactly.

Adam:

The first people you see when you get there are not small. No,

Jeff:

It is very unclear why this land is called the Great Land of Small. There is nothing small really about this beyond our main character, Fritz and his twin brother, and there are some various little people mixed into the crowd, but also mostly children. Now, if you told me that this movie was about the power of children, that actually makes a lot more sense to me. The other thing that I think is important to note, I reached out to some of my Quebecois friends experts, and my understanding is that this phrase, it’s not because we’re small, that we can’t be big, is actually a bit of a colloquialism in Quebec. It was at the time, back in the eighties, and it’s tied to a deeper culture of the, and French speaking Canadians living within a country as an official language, but not necessarily feeling as though they’re on equal footing with the English speakers.

And so as I’ve been told that this actual narrative of the David versus Goliath, the small but powerful person overcoming the large sort of menacing adult, for instance, like children overcoming adults, this is a central narrative at this time in Quebec culture. And so that actually helps me also understand this film a little bit more. I have no idea if that’s what they were going for, but this is actually not an uncommon thing. When speaking to my friends in Quebec, they actually knew a lot about this and had never seen this film. They didn’t really know. They knew it existed, but they’d never seen it.

Adam:

Very interesting. So it’s a fair assessment to assume that this movie is a metaphor for how Quebec feels within the country known as Canada.

Jeff:

I think that’s a very plausible read on this film.

Adam:

Wow, I did not get that at all.

Jeff:

No, no. And again, I think there’s some layers here. I think on the first layer, there’s a child empowerment story that they’re trying to tell, which fits within the broader tales for all narrative. I think that makes sense. So where did this even come from? Well, this production company is Productions LA is the brainchild of Quebec Wall filmmaker, producer, and Order of Canada winner Rock The Bears, the first film in the series, the dog who stopped the war was inspired by an article about youth suicide. So that’s kind of where rock is coming from. In this whole project, he has gone on to explain that there are not enough individuals concerned with developing the imagination of young people in the right way and goes on to say, I want to help children leave childhood and go into adulthood with certain values. This is the age when they will build the values they will carry with them for the rest of their lives.

Adam:

As a child who witnessed this movie, I can certainly say there’s probably only one element of this movie that I carried on through the entirety of my life, and that’s slime.

Jeff:

Right? I thought you were going to say you did Cob, but that’s okay,

Adam:

Jeff. I thought we weren’t supposed to talk about that on the podcast.

Jeff:

Yeah, sure. Right. Okay. Well, we’re going to talk more about Cobb later. So who made this film, r de Mars, obviously attached as a producer, but no real indication that he played a major role in the production of this? This was directed by a Czech director by the name of EK Ja. Long career in film and television, starting first in Czechia in the mid 1950s. Eventually after Survival World War ii and Ja, his father was killed in World War II. He died at Auschwitz. He did escape or survive rather, world War ii. He would eventually go on to study and eventually teach film, both in broader in Europe, moved sort of west and then eventually into the United States, and somehow ended up attached to this film, which I do not know. That story, as far as I could tell, has been lost to history. The film was written by a man named David Sigmund. This is his second film that he has written a script for and also his last script. So take that for what you will. I don’t know that this movie necessarily killed his career, but it is possible that she was like, I’m putting the pen down. I’ve written my opus. There’s nothing left to say for David Sigmund.

Adam:

He left it all on the page. You may say, yep,

Jeff:

Yep. You can’t improve on perfection. That’s the reality tip of our hat to David Sigmund. Most of us though probably have come to this film because of the star of the film, arguably the star of the film, which is of course the famous Michael J. Anderson, who plays Fritz as well as the twin brother of Fritz, the king of the land of small. Now, as mentioned earlier, Michael has the edge genetic disease called osteogenesis. Perfecta used a wheelchair growing up. An interesting yet strange fact about Michael J. Anderson, which I actually learned from Adam, is that he has developed the ability to talk backwards. He is able to talk naturally backwards, so if you play a tape backwards, you’d be able to understand it in forward or in English. He learned this skill while attending a school for disabled children. This is how he passed the time.

Adam:

Yeah, and actually the interesting tidbit there is David Lynch found this out when Michael J. Anderson, who I don’t know who stole the idea of using the initial first Michael J. Fox or Michael J. Anderson. This might be a case of the chicken or the egg, but when David Lynch hired Michael to play the man from another place on Twin Peaks, he discovered that he could speak backwards and actually had Michael teach his scene mates on Twin Peaks how to do it at a last minute thing, and so in the episodes where Michael appears and they’re talking backwards in the Black Lodge, it’s all Michael’s doing. Also, the interesting tidbit is the extra tidbit to the tidbit is Michael Anderson may be one of the few instances of somebody gripping down in a movie. David Lynch, also quite happy to have Michael back for Mulholland Drive, actually built a large prosthetic for Michael to sit in to appear as though he was a tall gentleman, and I believe Michael is somewhat, I think he’s under five foot. I actually don’t know. Yeah, I’d

Jeff:

Imagine.

Adam:

But yeah, he appeared as like a six foot a human being in Mulholland Drive, so I definitely suggest you listeners Googling Michael J. Anderson, Mulholland Drive, because you’ll be quite fascinated. Yeah,

Jeff:

Yeah. He’s an absolute trendsetter.

Adam:

Oh, totally. Speaking of trends setting, I jokingly suggest to my friends about starting a GoFundMe or Kickstarter to get a red suit made to fit me like the one Michael wears on Twin Peaks. It’s red, top to bottom, and he is styling.

Jeff:

Well, that’s a good promo. If you’ve enjoyed this episode, donate to Adam Kearney’s Red Suit campaign.

Adam:

So funny. We

Jeff:

Fully endorse this, fully endorse This will be the second GoFundMe that we have started this season. Oh, wow. First GoFundMe, you’ll have to listen to a previous episode to hear about that. It is a sequel to Tiptoes. Yeah.

Adam:

Oh, right. Yeah.

Jeff:

Mike Hoja Anderson is not the only star. Well, okay. No, Michael J. Anderson is the only star. However, there are other actors in this that have histories, one of which is Ken Roberts. Now, Ken Roberts plays what Kiddle described as the Evil Hunter. I am going to be describing him instead as his proper title, which is the owner of a bar who was named Flanagan. He also though plays the man dog Hybrid Munch. Now, Ken Roberts has appeared in a variety of movies, including an uncredited role where he was also a bartender in Brokeback Mountain. He also played the character Terrance in a star-studded film that no one has ever seen called, never Was. Have you ever seen? Never Was Adam.

Adam:

No. It’s my first time hearing about this.

Jeff:

Seriously, go to the IMDB page of Never Was. I’m not convinced this is a real movie.

Adam:

I’m sure we could track it down.

Jeff:

I’m guessing It is horrible if no one has heard of it, given the stars in This is unbelievable. Now, the two children, the brother and the sister, the brother is played by, sorry. David is the brother played by Michael Bule, I’m assuming is how he would pronounce his name. Not sure. Michael did not become a baseball star. As David wishes instead, he actually became a successful stunt artist and has appeared in shows that you maybe have seen such as Gotham, the Punisher, and one of my favorite shows. Happy Jenny. The sister is played by Clarine Elkin, who has not done really anything else mimic. The River Living Man is played by Cirque du Soleil clown Chocolat Trombley. You love whenever a person has chocolate as their middle name.

Adam:

Love it. I know, and the fact that he, it is all throughout the titling too. He demanded that his pseudonym be part of his titles. It’s fantastic. I love the dedication of Chocolat.

Jeff:

Absolutely. We will only be referring to him as Mimic or Chocolat for the rest of this episode. The rest of the cast is a random sprinkle of Quebec television regulars. Many of the folks reappear in future productions of the Tales for All series. I believe several of the cast members went on to direct future versions of this series. It is the strangest thing that I had no idea existed and continues to exist as of last year.

Adam:

I’m proud of them. Keep going guys.

Jeff:

It really does show you that without getting too deeply into Canadian politics, the two solitudes kind of thing, that there is this entire media empire that has been happening in Quebec since the eighties, and we had very little knowledge of it existing.

Adam:

Now I’m going to throw this curve ball out here. Do you think that Cirque du Soleil has anything to do with throwing money into this thing considering the amount of gymnasts that appear in this movie and I imagine continue to appear throughout the series?

Jeff:

Probably there is a weird focus on aerobatics gymnastics clowning in this movie. I really go back and forth on it. I think that there are two possible explanations. Explanation number one, Cirque du Soleil saw this as an opportunity to legitimize their work in sort of children’s cinema and thought it would be

Adam:

Kind of like what the WWF does with horror movies.

Jeff:

Exactly, yes, and thought it as like a promo opportunity. Right. They were diversifying their portfolio, and so they were glad to perform and to support this. The other possibility is they got paid for this, and this was just a moneymaking venture for random people in Cirque de Soleil. I would love to know which path they went down on this one.

Adam:

Oh man. That’s a whole other wormhole rabbit hole.

Jeff:

The other actors that were not included on this list was the very surprising number of animals. The animal budget in this film had to have been staggering.

Adam:

Oh, it’s phenomenal, and it almost seems trivial at parts too when Michael Anderson rolls over and cuddles a tamed raccoon only to say, what are you doing in my bed and end scene,

Jeff:

And the raccoon is attacking him.

Adam:

Yeah. I would love to hear a story about that.

Jeff:

Yeah. I believe that’s how Michael Anderson got rabies.

Adam:

He had to take some time out off after this feature film.

Jeff:

Now, we of course have our own opinions about this film, but we are not the only ones. There are lots of people that have actually written about this film, some of which more legitimate than others. I want to draw our attention, however, to a 1988 review that was published in Cinema Canada by a Marika Seno. So Seno says, “Jasny and Brault capture the forest at dusk. This quality of light–rarely seen in films–makes Flanigan and his men appear as undefinable shapes lost in the darkening forest. The blue tinge together with the mystical synthesizer music adds to the be witching feel that the Jasny-Brault duo creates.”

Adam:

I would like to comment in that they must have definitely watched the HD transfer on Apple TV because the rip that is on YouTube, and I imagine the VHS version that I watched when I was younger basically presents that scene as pitch black. There is no contrast or blue hue to it. It’s just darkness.

Jeff:

As a deviant who purchased this on Apple tv, because again, I have a problem, I can confirm that the best quality version you can buy of this film, it is black. You cannot see anything for about a third of the movie.

Adam:

Yeah. There’s a long part in the second half of the movie that is just pretty much, you just have to adjust your TV basically if you actually want to see anything.

Jeff:

Yeah. That felt extremely generous. There was critique though Sano goes on to say, “still the spirit of the film outweighs its weaknesses. The desire to capture the inner lives of the character makes the great land of small a film in which both child and adult finds meaning.”

Adam:

Do they though?

Jeff:

I think we’re going to spend the rest of this episode and next week’s episode attempting to find meaning.

Adam:

Oh man, just like my life, right?

Jeff:

Precisely. There are, of course others that have better opinions than the official critics, and those are internet comments, which we have found on things like Amazon and IMDB.

Adam:

I cannot wait to hear these. I purposely didn’t read these when you sent them over earlier. So

Jeff:

Phenomenal going in completely sight unseen, so our first year is an IMDB review by Siouxsienova giving this film a 1 out of 10 rating. They go on to say, “film we disapprove of. Though details elude our memory, we recall an inexplicably cheerful little man and people in colored saran wrap. We fail to see what was “great” about the land, other than a volcano that burped glitter. Years after viewing it, we need only say the title to send everyone into fits of laughter and gagging sounds. This earns “The Great Land of Small” our resounding two thumbs way down. Were we to judge it on a star ratings system, it would be a black hole”

Adam:

Wow. Now, to be fair, there is no volcano that burps glitter. I think that would actually really drastically improve the great land. Instead, it is a creature that does the burping.

Jeff:

Yeah, slimo

Adam:

Of course. Slimo. Yeah. My hero. Obviously,

Jeff:

I aspire to be Slimo when I’m older. Maybe that was the moral or what they wanted you to take as a child. You too could grow up to be Slimo.

Adam:

Yeah, slim o be your own Slimo. Yeah.

Jeff:

Be the Slimo you want to see in the world.

Adam:

You know what I really took away about Slimo too was the costume or the

Jeff:

It is a puppet.

Adam:

The puppets that is Slimo really reminded me of the character Bill Paxton gets turned into in weird science. It’s basically Slimo

Jeff:

Totally,

Adam:

But they definitely put a lot of budget into creating slimo the puppet. I wonder if slime still exists.

Jeff:

Probably. There’s no way you could destroy it. That thing is huge.

Adam:

Is it though or it, did they shoot it with perspective to make it seem big?

Jeff:

That’s an interesting question. It could be a hand puppet, but I don’t know. Given everything I’ve seen in this film, given that there is basically zero practical effects at all beyond cutting things to make them look like they’ve disappeared or turned to different directions, I don’t know that they had the technology to make things look bigger than they appear.

Adam:

I feel like this could be a podcast unto itself finding slime.

Jeff:

Yeah.

Adam:

2025

Jeff:

GoFundMe number three…

Our next review, also an IMDB review, comes to us from Muppets1. I guess Muppets was already taken. Also giving this a one out of 10 rating with the title stupid movie gives nightmares. Muppets1 says, “This movie frightened me. It was an awful movie that should not be shown to little children if you want them to grow up as normal human beings. I saw it at a friend’s house, and everyone who saw it found it to be extremely disturbing. You barely see anything of the Great Land of Small except people turning into butterflies or being “slimo”d. I definitely rate this as one of the more unintelligent family films that has come out of Canada”

Adam:

I feel as though that review really undersells the great land because there was also baton, twirler jugglers,

Jeff:

Many jugglers.

Adam:

There was a parade though. It was a practice parade. There was a lot more happening in the great land of the small than just being slime mode.

Jeff:

Yeah. Keeper lives in a dungeon with his man dog.

Adam:

Yeah. Like a mirrored dungeon, oddly enough. Right. Hopefully we get back to that one.

Jeff:

Yeah. People are just getting railed on cob down there.

Adam:

It’s a tasty treat, man. Don’t knock till you tried it. Don’t yuck my yum.

Jeff:

It’s the only thing that states some people. Finally an anonymous. This is a rotten tomato reviewer that I loved, so I had to include it. This review is quote, “this movie is fucking disturbing. I was okay with it.”

Adam:

Fuck yeah, bud. I feel as though the more I lament about this movie, the more I kind of feel like it almost deserves to be compared to the work of somebody like David Lynch. There’s this real I dreamscape mentality, this alternative universe existing within our own, but yeah, it’s really not a good movie, but you can’t stop thinking about it.

Jeff:

My best belief, my best understanding, this feels like a movie where if you were to get several very well intentioned, very artistic qua folk, put them in a room, pipe that room full of LSDU gas and then have them write a movie about child empowerment, I think this is what happens.

Adam:

I would love to see remake the Great Land of Small and see his adaptation of this.

Jeff:

The best thing about that is that I could not tell you if it would be better or worse. The adaptation, I have no idea. Yeah,

Adam:

Or even if David Lynch redid it, would his adaptation be better or worse?

Jeff:

Oh, that would be upsetting. I think that would be even more upsetting In some ways.

Adam:

It would be funny if he just shot it scene for scene if it was just what they did to Psycho.

Jeff:

Oh, no. Okay. Yeah. No, I’m on board for that. David Lynch, I assume you listen to this podcast. Please do this. You can have this one for free. We don’t even want royalties.

Adam:

Also, David, if you’re out there, send me that red suit. Let’s save some money here,

Jeff:

Right? Yeah, please, David. Now, this is really only the start of our journey into the Great Land of Small, but unfortunately we need to call it a day, so I know. I know. So if you don’t want to get slime mode, make sure you tune back in next week, Monday morning when we will actually talk about the Absolute Bananas movie, the Great Land of Small.

Adam:

I Can’t wait. I personally hope you end this episode with one of the two theme songs they had written for this movie.

Jeff:

All right. Rolling

Great Land of Small theme song:

And You

Jeff:

And thus concludes another episode of Invalid Culture. Thank you for listening. I hope you enjoyed it or not. Either way, please take a second. If you haven’t to subscribe to our podcast on whatever platform you’re using, tell a Friend, and better yet, do you want to be a victim on the podcast, go onto our website, invalid culture.com. Submit your name. We would love to terrorize you with a bad movie. Have a bad movie of your own that you think that we should watch. Again, jump on our website, invalid culture.com, submit it, and we would love to watch the trash. Be sure to tune in again next week for part two where we will start to dig into the movie and find out whether or not it wins the coveted Jerry Lewis seal of approval

Mvll Crimes (theme song):

Arguing with strangers on the internet. Everyone is wrong. I just haven’t told them yet.

Transcript – Part 2

Jeff:

Previously on invalid culture.

The Great Land of Small theme song:

Keep your eyes wide open, can you see the special beings? You will never know what you’ll be seeing. If you let them show you…

Jeff:

You are listening to Invalid Culture, a podcast dedicated to excavating the strangest and most baffling media representations of disability. This podcast is all about staring into the abyss of pop culture adjacent films that never quite broke through because well, they’re just awful. So buckle up folks. The following content is rated I for invalid.

Mvll Crimes (theme song):

I’m arguing with strangers on the internet not going out today because I’m feeling too upset. Arguing with strangers on the, and I’m winning. And I’m winning!

Jeff:

Welcome back to another episode of Invalid Culture, part two of the Great Land of Small. So glad that you are back. We are joined once again by our co-host. Adam, how you doing, Adam?

Adam:

I’m good, Jeff. I’m good. I just got back from a rainbow trip back from the Great Land of Small.

Jeff:

Oh good. You caught the rainbow.

Adam:

Yeah, I caught the rainbow. I wasn’t late like Michael was and I made it for the birthday celebration.

Jeff:

Can I ask you, what is the wheelchair accommodations like on rainbow flights?

Adam:

Very lovely. Lots of large entryways. There’s really no limitations, no stairs at all. The only thing, the incline is a little challenging, especially at the starting point.

Jeff:

Right, but they didn’t break your wheelchair like every other airline in the world.

Adam:

No, no, no, no, no. They were quite accommodating in that fashion. But let me tell you something, there is glitter everywhere. Everywhere. It’s like going to the beach.

Jeff:

Absolutely. Well, as I said, this is part two, which means it is time for us to get analytical. So let’s talk a little bit about the Great Land of Small. Now for those of you who have not watched the movie, our film begins in the wilderness where we meet a surly magical something or other, maybe leprechaun, maybe not named Fritz, who has returned to Earth to verify whether or not humans are still terrible. Before Fritz had learned about Donald Trump, he misplaces his bag of gold dust while escaping several hunters that are led by barman Flanagan cut to New York City where baseball enthusiast David is refusing to visit his grandparents unless can bring his dog along with him, David, his sister Jenny, and his single and ready to mingle Mother Linda, all packed into a bus and drive to the mystical land of Quebec. It is here where his grandpa gaslights the children into believing that magical creatures exist, but only if you truly believe otherwise they are invisible to you. Get it? It’s a metaphor for the French Canadian experience.

Adam:

Oh boy. Yeah. The start of this movie is quite challenging, although it’s very entertaining to see them really try and wedge as much acrobatics in the beginning of this film to just set the baseline of what you’re going to experience in the Great Land and that grandfather. Best of intentions, that guy. Oh, absolutely. He wanted to share the magic of the world with his grandkids.

Jeff:

Yeah, absolutely. Now, okay, so let’s talk a little bit about Fritz and his introduction into the film. He is sort of just laying around in nature. He loses his bag of magic gold powder and it’s at this point that we’re explained, it’s told to us that Fritz, for reasons that are never explained, has access to five magical spells that he is allowed to perform.

Adam:

And I feel like we need to also address one factor too in that we both, I think we paused the movie, we watched the movie the first time together, the exposition in this movie is handled quite awkwardly. There’s a moment where Fritz loses his bag of gold dust and literally says to the camera, oh no, my gold dust fell out. What should I do? Moments like that happen a lot in this movie where it’s like, no, obviously Fritz just dropped his gold. I don’t know why he’s saying this out loud.

Jeff:

Yeah. The movie at the exact same time, both imagines its audience as completely unable to follow what’s happening while also presuming that the audience is fully literate in the magical world that it is set in. So of course, Fritz is invisible to the hunter that stumbles across his bag of gold dust, which is perhaps kind of a bit of a fitting allegory to some experiences of disablement in which the bar owner literally does not know you exist.

Adam:

No, because he can’t see you through the bar that he’s sitting behind. Yes. That is something I didn’t consider until my second viewing actually is how Fritz navigates the world by only being seen by humans who may not have been taught to see disability as a negative. You know what I mean? Kids often approach me and ask questions that are very innocent and unknowing, whereas adults who have been taught that disability is a negative often just ignore my existence. So that little allegory may be the most in-depth quality of disability representation in this film. Otherwise it’s pretty non-existent in my opinion.

Jeff:

And also might not have been intentional.

Adam:

No, no. I think that’s also the odd thing is in all the promotion and all the write-ups that I read for this film, Fritz is referred to as a leprechaun, but in the movie, characters are stopped short when they almost say the word leprechaun and instead they say one of them. And so the really odd thing too we were just discussing off mic, is that there is a bizarre number of Irish names in this movie, Flanagans, Patrick…It’s quite bizarre because they stopped short of identifying the one true Irish character, the leprechaun. It was like, no, that’s too odd. We can’t go ahead with that, but let’s just name everybody an Irish name.

Jeff:

Right. And this is small town Quebec, but they are in Quebec.

Adam:

Yeah, yeah. In the eastern townships, somewhere in between Montreal and Sherbrooke is our rough estimation of where they are. And so there is no Jean, there is no Michelle. Instead Patrick Kelly. I forget what the mom’s name is?

Jeff:

Linda.

Adam:

Yeah,

Jeff:

I think that’s an interesting point because this could gesture toward a little fan theory that I have, which is that Quebec in the film is not Quebec. Quebec in the film is actually English speaking Canada slash America populated by the Irish and the land of small is actually Quebec.

Adam:

Oh, that would make sense why…so?

Jeff:

Hence why as we will later, well, okay, let’s move forward. So while frolicking could in the forest, David and Jenny stumble upon light bending magical figure Fritz with some very interesting colors being placed upon the screen.

Adam:

We kind of differed there because I felt like that camera trick with the rainbow effect was very, very impressive. I felt as though it wasn’t just merely a lens on the camera. There was some special effect quality to it, although the effect doesn’t last very long, so you don’t get to really bathe in all its glory

Jeff:

To me…I think they just sliced a gel from Aliko light and taped it to the camera lens. It’s very angular and the people were moving and the camera’s kind of moving. So it’s unclear, but it looks fairly static egg. I’m unclear. Unfortunately, because of Fritz’s futile search to get his gold powder back from Flanagan, Fritz has missed his ride on the rainbow to get back home. And as a result, like many of us have been forced to do, had to spend a night in Quebec taking pity on him. David and Jenny invite Fritz back to Grandpa’s house for about 14 sandwiches and two bottles of Pepsi. Fritz will eventually spend the night for a magical sleepover after which the gang decides that they must enlist the support of mimic a strange man who speaks in brine and lives in a shack down by the river.

Adam:

Before we get to the mimic thing, I wanted to interject with, we skipped over the pop scene where they reenact a scene from Willy Wonka with the bubbles that make you weightless and float, and then there’s also a quality to this film that is a big tip of the hat to the Wizard of Oz as well, which we’ll get to in a bit. But there were a few very notable classic cinema references in this movie, which makes me feel as though like this wasn’t just a haphazard attempt that the writer really did leave everything on the page here. He went deep. I feel.

Jeff:

Well, references or copyright infringement. It is hard to say. Disney might be looking at some of this magic powder animation and feeling it’s a little Fantasia

Adam:

Or a little Tinker Bell too. Right, right. The fairy dust. Yeah. Anyway, sorry to interrupt you again.

Jeff:

No, absolutely. So Fritz spends the night for this magical sleepover and the gang determines that they must use this man mimic to help them. Now on their way to mimic, they are chased by flatheads men narrowly escape at a certain death by jumping in a canoe and heading down the river almost immediately. They almost die in some river rapids and Fritz is required to use one of his five magic spells, which I believe this is his third spell that he has used now maybe fourth, to transport them to safety, also known as Montreal apparently, because they are now in the Olympic stadi…sorry, they’re now in the Great Land of Small.

Adam:

Yeah. The architecture is very hard to miss in the great land of small, but it’s very familiar to those Canadian listeners out there, the slopes, the angles, the off white color of everything.

Jeff:

Immediately when they arrive in the great land of small, we are we’re watching it. And immediately you notice that it is both like an internal, that they’ve built a set, but it’s also outside, but it’s clearly natural light. And so when we’re watching it, we’re like, where did they find this open air studio? And then almost immediately, once we get deeper into the great land of small, we’re like, oh man, I bet you, and sure enough, yes, this was filmed in the Olympic Stadium, the pride and joy of the Montreal Expos at the time. RIP

Adam:

David would be sad and his baseball dreams.

Jeff:

Yeah, crushed. Yeah. Now, as a baseball fan, how did he not know that he was in the Olympic stadium?

Adam:

It’s a different world bud. Different world, the rainbow.

Jeff:

There were no Montreal Expos in this universe.

Adam:

You know what? That’s also funny because we were commenting about David’s hat looking very weird on his head. Why wasn’t he wearing either a Brooklyn hat or an Expos hat?

Jeff:

Right? He was wearing a red felt baseball ish hat. I understand. Not going to put branding on it, but why this wasn’t a Yankees hat or a Mets hat is kind of hilarious to me.

Adam:

Right? Or yeah, it really, I don’t know. They missed an opportunity with that one.

Jeff:

When it comes to magical powers, Fritz, as I said, lead it up to this point, has used a few spells which seem to be conjured by saying little rhymes pretty on brand. And from what we’re able to tell, he is able to a drop people into holes in the ground, which he does to Flanagan

Adam:

With a very hilarious forward and rewind effect and then forward again. So it appears as though he’s being dropped multiple times.

Jeff:

So that’s one of his spells. Another spell that he casts is to astral project David’s dog from the pound. Now my read on this, my understanding of the text is that his dog is not physically there. This is an astral projection, but there’s sort of a commentary that’s made that he’s not actually there, but he is experiencing it with them and they are able to touch him.

Adam:

True. They do engage and they even have to use the leash on him when they’re walking to mimics shack on the river,

Jeff:

Right? Because that dog will run away immediately if possible.

Adam:

Yeah, I believe it was a lab or a retriever.

Jeff:

Yeah, it was definitely going to run away the minute it could possibly going to find a tasty treat in the forest because it is on our way to Quebec that it is disclosed that Flanagan and his hunting friends are not just after caribou. Adam, what are they hunting for?

Adam:

Well, there’s a theme when the kids and mother arrive in Quebec to visit the grandparents where the grandparents pick them up in the bus at the bus station during wait, fall because all the trees have turned color in a convertible with the top down. So they’re driving down country roads and highways with top down and convertible when they come across a roadblock with a police officer who is berating Flanagan and his cronies for hunting at night with flashlights. At which point Flanagan says they are not hunting caribou illegally. They are actually after rabbit eggs,

Jeff:

Rabbit eggs,

Adam:

Rabbit eggs are Flanagan’s bread and butter, apparently a real curve ball. I really didn’t see that one coming.

Jeff:

So when this happened, I thought I just misheard it and I went back and looked and no, they said rabbit eggs and it is presented completely straight and the police officer is like, oh, well that makes sense. And it is. I have no idea if this is supposed to be a joke, if it’s an absurdist line. Is it like the police officer doesn’t understand hunting and this is just a funny little prank? Or are there really rabbit eggs in the field?

Adam:

Maybe they aren’t mammalian. The really peculiar thing too is they say it multiple times in the scene and then they don’t say it again at all during the movie or reference these rabbit eggs.

Jeff:

No, it never comes up again. Which leads me to wonder, are there scenes that were left on the cutting room floor of this film, which boggles the mind?

Adam:

I wonder what the director’s cut of this thing could have looked like.

Jeff:

Well, there’s another thing that was never really addressed, which is Linda is a single mom and there appears to be a will they or won’t they with the police officer that they meet on the roadblock because apparently they knew each other growing up and maybe there’s something happening and no, that storyline leads nowhere.

Adam:

No, and there is multiple references of hanging out with a dad, but we don’t get dad’s name. We don’t see dad. There’s really just only a reference to you’re going to see your father next week type of thing,

Jeff:

Which is a really interesting part of this film, I will say, because it is like a normalization of divorce from a Quebec company, which of course in the quiet revolution you’ll know that this is actually not an insignificant thing. Talking about divorce and going against Catholic scripture

Adam:

And for the mid eighties too, right? I guess maybe that was a slight dig at her living a sinful life in New York City moving away from Quebec

Jeff:

Or they’re aligning with the quiet revolution and the pushback, the secularism of Quebec that comes in the seventies and eighties. This is just normal. It’s just a normal thing. We don’t need to address the father because he is insignificant. So we move into the final phase of the film where we arrive at the Great Land of Small, which essentially is a Cirque de Soleil fever Dream meets an abstract 1984 concrete hellscape. We discover that Fritz is not the king, but rather his twin brother is the king of this land. And the people seem to spend most of their time doing acrobatics, juggling and being turned into butterflies. But there is just one problem. Once you enter the great land of small, you can never leave. As a result, David and Jenny are scheduled by the king and queen to be slim mode, which is unclear if this is a punishment or a reward, but it essentially consists of being fed to a giant rock blob that spits magic, morphin gold dust onto you and turns you into something else.

Adam:

So the thing about that is in watching it last night, the king and queen make a quick reference to not being able to have children of their own. And the queen says how nice it would be to have a little girl and the king says how nice it would be to have a little boy, and then they decide that the children must be slime mowed so that they can live their eternally. And so it’s kind of a kidnap plot

Jeff:

And it’s also, as I said, this is confusing because when we get to the slime scene, they are sliming a woman who wishes to become a butterfly. That’s what she’s wanting to become, so boom, slim mode. However, we also have two individuals who are in an argument and they hit slim O for being in an argument

Adam:

At some sort of resolution as though the process of being slim Oed is going to absolve the situation that they find themselves in.

Jeff:

Very unclear. Now, Fritz, the selfless magic figure that he is uses his last magical spell to transport David and Jenny as well as new characters keeper and man dog munch out of the land of small and back into the forests of Quebec. However, this will then doom Fritz to have to navigate the Canadian Social Assistance program for disabled people the rest of his life. There is ultimately only one chance for Fritz to get back home, which is to reclaim the magic powder from Flanagan. The bargain Flanagan, as you imagine has become drunk with magical power and is ploting to take over the world leading to a barely visible confrontation on the aptly titled Black Mountain, ultimately Flat again, the lights after almost clearing his daughter and the gold dust is returned to its rightful owner. The film even eventually wraps with Fritz saying goodbye to his friends from the great land of small paper and dog Man Munch who take the little powder back to the king and queen Fritz, however fits his return and instead rides off into the sunset with mimic a relationship that they will never be able to report or risk losing their disability support benefits.

Adam:

I really love how you tie that in. That’s beautiful. Well done, Jeff.

Jeff:

Now one thing I do want to talk about in the conclusion of this film, so the movie sets itself up as being a morality play of some variety, but as I can understand the story, what is the moral of this story?

Adam:

I have no idea. Other than kids running around with their leprechaun buddy and a harrowing canoe trip. I don’t know. No one seemed to really learn a lesson other than maybe Flanagan,

Jeff:

But there’s sort of the lesson of youthful innocence and being open to new experiences maybe, but that’s never really addressed or dealt with, and also it ends with this crushing reality that Fritz is now trapped away from home living in exile in the forests of Quebec,

Adam:

But he seems really okay with it. They are prancing through that meadow at the end,

Jeff:

But why were David and Jenny not allowed to know that he was trapped at that point? I understand beforehand, he doesn’t want the children to stop him from using his last wish, but once you’re there, he’s like, no, no, protect them from this terrible reality. I’m now trapped in. We’ll let them think that I’m leaving and then I will scuttle away through the tall grass and write off with mimic.

Adam:

There is just so many questions left on the Answered in this film because I think they felt that they were going to wow us with some sort of magical experience that leads you to forget about all these unwrapped up storyline,

Jeff:

Right? No, Cirque du Soleil is enough. Have you been to Cirque du Soleil? It’s enough. You don’t need anything else.

Adam:

Look at these batons. We have so many batons and they’re twirling.

Jeff:

That’s all you need. They’re children. They don’t know anything. As I said, this movie equally seems to treat its audience as hyper literate and completely unaware of what’s happening at the exact same time.

Adam:

It just really weird, some really bizarre, maybe directorial choices. You would think that if Fritz also is a leprechaun, that maybe you would have your actor do a bad Irish accent, but they don’t even attempt to that.

Jeff:

No, no. And they dress him sort of like a medieval squire kind of…

Adam:

Yeah. Yeah. There’s no real leprechaun qualities to Fritz as a leprechaun. There’s some gold, but really you wouldn’t be surprised to see Michael walking around a Ren Fair in that outfit. You’d be like, oh,

Jeff:

Absolutely.

Adam:

Sweet outfit, bro. Yeah.

Jeff:

Yeah, right.

Adam:

Absolutely. No one would be like, oh, that leprechaun outfit is tight.

Jeff:

I also am confused by they seem to be gesturing toward a moral of absolute power. Corrupts absolutely, and that you should reject power because it’s dangerous. But I also don’t know that that’s the case. Flanagan gets the powder, goes crazy with it, goes to Black Mountain, ties up Mimic to a tree, and appears to be prepared to torture him or murder him, I’m not sure. And then his daughter comes and is like, wait, no, stop. And he blasts her with magic and then it’s like, what have I done and runs down and it is like, oh, my daughter here, have the dust back. It’s too dangerous.

Adam:

Yeah, there’s really no consequences for anyone in this film other than Fritz who is now stuck in Quebec,

Jeff:

The most Irish town in Quebec

Adam:

Of all the small towns. He had to land in the most Irish of them all where the local is called Flanagans.

Jeff:

Part of me also wonders if maybe this was intended as a setup to a sequel, but were we going to get another story that was about the return to the great land of small where Fritz is trying to get back and he has to do some sort of task and learn some sort of lesson about himself and away we go,

Adam:

That would guarantee us a more slim o film time and explore the relationship between Fritz and Mimic in that quick Riverside abode. Yeah,

Jeff:

I hope that they’re lovers. That is my deep desire for the end of this film.

Adam:

It is neither confirmed nor dismissed.

Jeff:

Precisely. It is a potentiality,

Adam:

But they definitely, at the beginning of the film, they already kind of know each other.

Jeff:

Yeah, they’re friends.

Adam:

They have a history together. And that also brings up something we have yet to discuss is mimic as a character, as a potential person with disability or racist stereotype of an indigenous Quebecois.

Jeff:

So I want to dig all the way into this.

Adam:

Yeah. I feel as though this at its core is the only true representation in this movie because as we’ve addressed, Michael Anderson’s character is never really as one, the character. He’s even playing a leprechaun or two as a little person or person with disability. And so in that aspect, I feel like the representation is great where I feel like we’re going to dig into the nitty gritty here.

Jeff:

So let’s talk a little bit about Mimic because, so first and foremost, when I read the synopsis and it referred to Mimic as being indigenous, I had a bit of a double take because that I did not catch that when I was reading. I didn’t know that that was intended, which also makes me wonder if that even is intended or if this was something that was projected by the person who wrote the synopsis. Mimiced to me is presented as this sort of gesture fool character if you kind of toxin rhyme. But it has these sort of insights, and so everyone thinks that Mimic is crazy or that he’s simple, that he doesn’t know what’s happening in the world, but he does have this insight that only the viewer are able to see because Mimic seems to exist somewhere between the two worlds between Quebec and the Great Land of Small because he has awareness and can understand and see these invisible creatures. He still has belief in order to see the magical creatures. He has some sort of relationship with this magical stallion that is wandering the Quebec woods as well. He seems to know the horse or is friends with it potentially. He rides it at times, but doesn’t seem to be magic himself.

Adam:

No, no, no. And I’m going to say what a non colonialist character. He exists outside of town. He definitely has a different perception of the space he’s in. And even to the point when he comes into town, flanagan’s cronies try and beat ’em up and run ’em off. And this is where I get into the stereotype is there’s a scene where Mimic saddles up to the bar and quickly downs a pint before he gets kicked out. When Flanagan comes up to his daughter and says, I thought I told you not to serve him as though he’s not supposed to consume alcohol, which is

Jeff:

Interesting

Adam:

…a stereotype, and when Flanagan’s cronies are berating him, there is an assumption that he’s just this foolish character stumbling around, and I feel as though I didn’t realize it certainly when I was a kid, and certainly in the first watching, but it wasn’t until I read that synopsis that you posted that it clicked in that he actually isn’t supposed to be projected as having disability. He’s supposed to be a racist stereotype in Quebec, and that’s kind of what I took away from it too, especially, but also

Jeff:

Accepting. The audience are supposed to accept mimic.

Adam:

Oh yeah.

Jeff:

As a good person.

Adam:

Yeah. He doesn’t have ill intent in any of his interactions within the film at all, but it would also kind of speak to the fact of why Mimic can see Fritz is because he has a different sense of maybe spiritual connection to the land, right? So he has this innocence, innocence, maybe non colonialist view of the land and of the beings within the land that allows him to see,

Jeff:

Yeah, this is I think a completely plausible explanation for mimic. I think that we could also though interpret Mimic as being a mad character, as being the mad person who appears foolish, but has insight and is a useful character because of the way that they see the world differently and how they exist outside the world.

Adam:

Oh, I was just going to add to that, the projection of childish qualities onto an adult, right?

Jeff:

Yeah. Another major part of it, he is projected, he’s really marked as being kind of childlike, potentially having an intellectual disability of some variety where he just doesn’t seem like any other adult in the film.

Adam:

No. And even at one point riding away on a child’s BMX bike.

Jeff:

Right. You literally using a child’s bike. Okay, I’m sorry. I think we need to talk a little bit about some of the tropes in this film. So as you stated, I agree, the film itself doesn’t necessarily mark our main character Fritz as a disabled character necessarily. However, I think this movie does fall to the common trope of casting disabled people as being magical characters in some way, and the bodily difference being used as a way to signify a difference within the person. Note that Fritz is regularly referred to as a creature, as a figure, as anything but a human, despite the fact that of course he’s being played by a literal human.

Adam:

It’s also kind, it’s always kind of cringe when you hear a little person being cast as one of these kind of stereotype characters, and it’s something that we really, I know personally, I really applaud actors like Peter Dinklage from avoiding being cast as these kind of mythical characters. Although at the same point, I’m going to argue that the way that the stereotype of a leprechaun is portrayed in this film, it manages to miss a lot of those kind of cringe moments. I feel. Even though Michael Anderson has played leprechauns repeatedly in his professional life, I have not seen those performances. However, this one, it felt different. It wasn’t like the leprechaun you see portrayed at Molly Bloom’s downtown London on St. Patrick’s Day. Right. College kid puking on the railroad tracks. Yeah,

Jeff:

Precisely.

Adam:

And so that’s where it gets tricky for me because I do agree with you, but I feel as though maybe not on purpose. They handled it really well.

Jeff:

I think the other thing to be said on this trope of the sort of magically disabled person and the fact that they don’t necessarily identify as a disabled person within the text, I also think given the fact that this is called Tales for All, and it is this sort of morality story that are being told to try to help children to understand their world and develop a moral compass, that is a good one. Allegedly, I imagine that the inclusion of disabled people within this text was designed not necessarily as an equity feature. I feel very confident that they were like, Ooh, we should get a disabled person in this film. I let’s get tech disability in here, and showed people it children, oh, look, you could be friends. You could be a friend with a disabled guy, and maybe they have magic powers. And I think that behind the scenes, I think possibly leans really hard into that trope,

Adam:

And I feel as though that might be the reason why my mother tried to make me watch this so many times. It’s like, see, even Michael Anderson could save the day,

Jeff:

But he doesn’t. The only reason the day is saved is because, so the daughter of her own actions was on her way to Black Mountain, so whether or not the children returned Flanagan was going to give up the powder, he was going to almost kill his daughter regardless. They had no impact on the end of this movie

Adam:

Other than he brought the kids back.

Jeff:

He did bring the kids back, but he also brought the kids there,

Adam:

Although his bringing the kids there happened by happenstance because they were being chased and

Jeff:

They almost died in the river. Yeah.

Adam:

He saved the kids by taking them out of those precarious River Rapids. And so he both

Jeff:

Which they got to on the way to getting his powder back that he lost,

Adam:

Oh boy.

Jeff:

Fritz might be the villain of this film

Adam:

In a roundabout way…he may have been the bad guy.

Jeff:

He both caused the problem and did not solve the problem. By the end of the film.

Adam:

He really, really kind of fucked himself over at the end. I mean, yes and no. Who’s to say what beautiful life he and Mimic created

Jeff:

In the shack by the river? That’s completely fair. Now, the other trope that I wanted to talk a little bit about is this really common division between an ostensibly able bodied regular world and a not regular segregated disabled world. And we see this a lot in films where disabled characters are kind of represented as being detached from the normal world. They live in their own kind of spaces. They only date each other. They don’t marry outside of disabled community. They’re educated together. And I feel that this film sets up the notion that the regular people, the Irish people,

Adam:

The Irish

Jeff:

And the different world of the magical characters live in the land of small, which is also the only place where we see little people and other sort of disabled people in general is in the land of small. So we have this distinction that those people live somewhere else.

Adam:

I didn’t get that initially from watching this movie. It’s only in discussing it that I realized that delineation. And I think that’s largely to do because the only other person with visible disability in the great land of small is Michael Anderson playing his own brother. Even when there are little people dispersed in the crowd when they’re arriving and in the King’s Court, it’s tough to tell who is a child and who is a little person, both because of the film quality and just the outfits that everybody’s wearing, those ridiculous colored onesies, the French are always going on about in their cinema. And that’s really where I felt was a stumbling point for me getting that connection. But there really is, and then it also kind of feeds into that whole, maybe you’re going to go on about this to the trope that people with disabilities are super abled, that we are special in our own ways and that we have a magical world unto our own,

Jeff:

And it’s a magical power that is both amazing and awe inspiring while also profoundly limited because there are moments in which as they are fleeing, Fritz needs to be literally lifted and carried as they run runoff into the wild.

Adam:

Yeah, I forgot about that.

Jeff:

Both limited and powerful at the exact same time, which is interesting.

Adam:

Why didn’t you use the spell in that moment? Exactly.

Jeff:

Yeah, it’s a question. And similarly, if the Great Land of Small has the ability to generate these spells, why would you not just have an unlimited number of them or a much higher number than five, for instance, so that if you did need to get away, you could just teleport?

Adam:

That’s the thing of being given three wishes and your first wish being that you have in limited wishes

Jeff:

I should have more wishes. Just like…slimo half of the population of the great land of small, and you’re going to have all the wishes. You need

Adam:

To go back to that again too. Slimo’s magical power is never fully explained.

Jeff:

Not at all.

Adam:

He just spits gold dust at people and things happen,

Jeff:

Turns them into things. Yeah.

Adam:

Yeah. There’s a whole spinoff right there. HBO should get on it.

Jeff:

I think that this does fall to the typical trope of the super Crip, as you mentioned. The other one that I think it falls to is the proximity of disability in children. As you mentioned, disabled people in this film are interspersed in crowds with children, nearly indistinguishably. Fritz becomes friends with the children. And the only other adult that Fritz is actually really a friend with mostly is Mimic, who also might be marked as a disabled character. And then the people in the land of small like Keeper and Munch are also friends of his, but he immediately connects with the children, but friends them, they form this relationship. And so I think that there is this proximity to Childness that is definitely reinforced within this movie, probably unintentionally.

Adam:

Oh, completely. And I think the intention there was that the innocence of the child is why the connection was there, although it definitely reinforces the trope of

Jeff:

The naivete

Adam:

Being childlike inequality. Yeah,

Jeff:

Absolutely. Now, as many of you will know, listeners of the show, we have a completely empirical scientific methodology, which we use to evaluate every film completely scientific in nature. Much like golf, we use a inverted rating score. So the lower the score, the better a film is. So let’s see how the Great Land of Small does when put to the test of the invalid culture rating system.

Adam:

Let’s do this thing

Jeff:

First up. On a scale of one to five, with five being the least accurate, how accurately does this film portray disability?

Adam:

Okay, so I’m going to go with a two. I was going to come into this one with a one just because I felt as though the movie really didn’t address disability at all, and thereby doing a great job. But I feel as though by not addressing it and leaving disability as a certain ambiguity that runs through the whole film, it actually serves as a disservice. So though they had the best of intentions, I think it also was a flaw. So that’s where I’m landed too.

Jeff:

Yeah. Well, we are completely aligned on this. I also was originally going in with the thought that this might be a one. However, I think if we read Mimic as a typical fool character, and I think if we take a little bit of a stretch, if we take the notion that Fritz is perhaps connected to sort of the jester little person of medieval times, I mean, he is dressed like a weird medieval dude, and I think he’s supposed to be funny, although I did not find him as such. Then I think this is probably a two. It’s not the worst by any means, but it’s not, I don’t think it’s clean either.

Adam:

No, no. There is definitely no quality of a tip Toes, Gary Oman on his knees, quality to this film, although casting a little person as a leprechaun really never ceases to make me cringe a little.

Jeff:

Yeah, you’re going to eat a little punishment for that.

Adam:

Yeah.

Jeff:

Okay. On a scale of one to five, with five being the hardest, how hard was it for you to get through this film?

Adam:

I’ve watched a lot of bad and challenging movies a lot, and I would probably rate this as a three, mostly because of the quantity of film that is almost in sheer darkness, that leaves a lot to the imagination and makes the second half of the film really challenging when you’re expecting the most action and it’s kind of delivering in some action, you just can’t see much of it.

Jeff:

So I’ve also watched a lot of terrible movies. I’m going to be honest, this was pretty rough. This is a rough thing to get through. The pacing was all over the place. I didn’t understand it often. I was constantly asking questions of what is happening in this film. I don’t know. However, it wasn’t the worst thing I’ve ever watched. It was a reasonable children’s movie. I think especially I’m made for tv, so I’m going to be generous and I’m going to give this a four.

Adam:

Oh, wow, okay. I definitely know where you’re coming from with that though, I just think personally, I felt Slimer brought a lot.

Jeff:

I mean, I spent about 40 minutes of this film trying to understand what the heck of Rabbit Egg was, and that’s not a good sign.

Adam:

I mean, it’s a tasty Easter treat

Jeff:

In Quebec. On a scale of one to five, with five being the maximum, how often did you laugh at things that weren’t supposed to be funny?

Adam:

I really wasn’t left laughing a lot here, so probably a two.

Jeff:

Yeah. I also gave this a two. It wasn’t the funniest thing unintentionally that I’ve seen, but there were some moments that were, I think, iconically kind of hilarious in ways that they weren’t supposed to be. I mean, the Butterfly people, I don’t think that was supposed to be funny. I think that was supposed to be whimsical

Adam:

Munchin’ the cobs

Jeff:

That I think was intended to be funny, I think.

Adam:

Yeah. Yeah. Although having a grown man yell, oh, he really loves his cobs. I think I was laughing at it for the wrong reasons though.

Jeff:

Yep. I think that’s fair. There were some moments, there were some moments, and in fact, I think also the complete blackout for about a quarter of the film was also objectively kind of hilarious,

Adam:

And we talked about that too, where we suspect it was shot in daylight and perhaps over underexposed in processing to achieve the look as though it was shot at night. They may messed that processing up slightly

Jeff:

Very possible. And last but certainly not least, on a scale of one to five, with five being the most, how many steps back has this film put Disabled people?

Adam:

You know what? I don’t think it did much. It neither Elevated nor declined, so I’m going to say two, and it’s not a one because they cast a little person. As a leprechaun, it’s still cringe.

Jeff:

Yeah. We’re aligned again on this one. I also gave it a two. I think this was relatively harmless, even if it was fairly cringey. And I think in part, most people will not remember this as a disability text. They might remember it as a horrific film, a thing of nightmares, but probably not because of disability.

Adam:

It really does kind of play out as something I would think Crispin Glover dreams about. This would come out of Crispin Glover’s Dream Journal. I’ll put it simply of all the movies I’ve watched, it certainly is one of them.

Jeff:

Yeah, exactly. So after tabulating our scores, we can officially confirm The Great Land of Small Drummer. Please Comes out as regrets. I have a few, the second lowest on our scale,

Adam:

And I’m not surprised by that.

Jeff:

It feels right. I would say

Adam:

It does. It’s a comfy fit. This movie, I feel like. I definitely don’t recommend it to anybody unless you’re looking for a weird film to watch. But it didn’t leave me feeling like I needed to cause a riot either.

Jeff:

Yeah, it is fully forgettable. It’s not art, but I don’t think any crimes have been committed.

Adam:

I might say that rainbow scene, it might be the closest thing to Art this movie had.

Jeff:

And this concludes another episode of Invalid Culture. Thank you for joining us. I hope you enjoyed it or not. Did you have a film you would like for us to cover on the pod, or even better? Do you want to be a victim on invalid culture? How to Wear to our website, invalid culture.com and submit. We would love to hear from you. That’s it for this episode. Catch you next month. And until then, stay invalid.

Mvll Crimes (theme song):

Arguing with strangers on the Internet…everyone is wrong. I just haven’t told them yet.

 

DVD cover of Tiptoes

A romantic comedy that isn’t particularly funny or romantic…

To celebrate the season of love, we decided to watch the shockingly star-studded cast bumble their way through the nearly unknown film Tiptoes. While the movie itself is perfect content for this podcast, the stories around the film are perhaps even more interesting. We’re joined by special guest and friend of the pod, Ian Carroll, who helps us try to get to the bottom of this perplexing film.

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Grading the Film

As always, this film is reviewed with scores recorded in four main categories, with 1 being the best and 5 being the worst. Like the game of golf, the lower the score the better.

How accurate is the representation?

Jeff – 2 / 5

Erika – 3 / 5

Ian – 3 / 5

Total – 8 / 15

How difficult was it to watch the movie?

Erika – 2 / 5

Jeff – 3 / 5

Ian – 4 / 5

Total – 9 / 15

How often were things unintentionally funny?

Erika – 4 / 5

Jeff – 5 / 5

Ian – 5 / 5

Total – 14 / 15

How far back has it put disabled people?

Jeff – 2.5 / 5

Erika – 4 / 5

Ian – 1 / 5

Total – 7.5 / 15

The Verdict

Crimes Have Been Committed

Transcript – Part 1

Steven Bedalia (McConaughey):

Hey, Carol, what’s going on? Is everything okay?

Carol Bedalia (Beckinsale):

Your brother dropped by this morning.

Steven Bedalia (McConaughey):

You drive all this way to tell me that.

Carol Bedalia (Beckinsale):

I think you’re going to let me know that everyone in your family’s a midget.

Steven Bedalia (McConaughey):

Well, they’re not midgets. Carol, the D,

Carol Bedalia (Beckinsale):

Whatever. It suddenly occurred to me that it’s a genetic thing, right?

Steven Bedalia (McConaughey):

Yeah, it’s a genetic thing.

Carol Bedalia (Beckinsale):

Okay, so just tell me, if you and I have a kid together, is it going to be a midget?

Steven Bedalia (McConaughey):

Okay. I don’t see a midget say. Do look,

Carol Bedalia (Beckinsale):

Just answer the goddamn question, Steven.

Steven Bedalia (McConaughey):

It is possible. It’s definitely possible.

Carol Bedalia (Beckinsale):
Oh, Jesus Christ…

[Opening punk song, “Arguing with Strangers on the Internet” by Mvll Crimes]

I’m arguing with strangers on the internet not going out today because I’m feeling too upset arguing with strangers on the internet and I’m winning. And I’m winning!!

Jeff:

Welcome back to another episode of Invalid Culture. It’s good to have you back. As always, I am your host, Jeff Preston, and I’m joined once again, the reemergence of our host Erica Katzman. Erica, how are you doing?

Erika:

I was better before I watched this movie. I won’t lie.

Jeff:

Is that pretty much your feeling every episode that you’re on this podcast?

Erika:

It is, absolutely. But this was a special one. I really felt like it was a testament of my commitment to you as a friend that I watched this film at all, and in fact, a second time just to brush up on details in preparation for the podcast, so know that I care about you.

Jeff:

Yes, our friendship can never be questioned after this three hours of labor that you’ve put into this. Much appreciated. So Erica is back and that is good because we are going to need her to survive this next two episodes of Invalid Culture, but we’re also joined by a very special guest, a very special guest because this podcast wouldn’t be happy. This episode of the podcast would not be happening if it wasn’t for him. We are joined by PSW Ian Carroll. Ian is the one who introduced me to this film, who forced me into buying this film and I thought it was only fair that Ian should come on the pod and be forced to talk about it with me. So welcome to the Pod, Ian.

Ian:

Hey, how’s it going? Thanks for having me. I just want to say I think it was more like you were racing to buy this movie from the moment that you heard about it as opposed to me forcing you to do it. I think that’s a more accurate description of how,

Jeff:

Yeah, that is actually more fair.

Ian:

This is like 10 years in the making or something. It was a very long time ago that we first watched the trailer for it, and it was just this past year, a few months ago, six months that we actually watched it for the first time. It would’ve been nice to have just gone into it blind, maybe not knowing anything about it beforehand, just like a lot of these types of movies, but that’s not the way it worked out. But yeah, I am sort of fascinated by this movie as opposed to anything else. It’s fascinating. It’s not a good movie. It’s not the worst made movie ever. It’s, it’s just very, very odd

Jeff:

Everything about it. And before we actually do the big reveal, although obviously if you’re listening to this, you probably saw the title of the film in the title of the episode, but I will state that this episode is going to have a lot of stories. There’s going to be stories about how this thing was made, stories about the actual film, and the first story is actually the story of how I access this film because it was a nightmare trying to find this film. I’ve been trying to buy this film for quite a while, and it is wildly priced on the internet. You cannot find North America versions of this disc for anything below 30, $40. I finally found a version on eBay that I could buy that was in our region code. I went through a massive bidding war in order to receive this. The price escalated.

I did win. I had to pay a fortune in shipping, and it took a month and a half for it to ship here. There was about a three week period where this DVD bounced around Chicago for literally a week and a half. It was being moved from one distribution center to the other. I thought, I may never get to watch this movie, and the day that it arrived, I remember showing it to Ian, and then when we opened it and we saw the art on the DVDI gasped, I literally gasped at the DVD art on this thing. Everything about this film is incredible and needs to be spoken about and will haunt you for the rest of your life.

Erika:

Wait, what’s on the DVD art?

Jeff:

It is so hard to explain. It is Gary Oldman on his motorcycle, but the lights on the motorcycle are lined up in a way that it appears as though they’re his breasts

Ian:

And anyway, yeah, we haven’t even said the title of the movie yet.

Jeff:

Yeah. Okay, so let’s dive into it. The movie that we are going to be talking about for the rest of our lives is the one, the only role of a Lifetime tiptoes. Now, for those of you who do not know a brief summary, this is from Amazon Prime, Amazon explains this movie is when his girlfriend gets pregnant, the father to be Steve is forced to reveal his little family secret. All of his relatives are dwarves, an offbeat romantic comedy with an all star cast.

Ian:

Oh boy. It’s a little family secret, right?

Jeff:

Yes. It’s the little things that count. So what the heck is Tiptoes? Erica, if you were to describe this film or if you were to explain the plot of this film, would it be pretty similar to that or would you describe it differently?

Erika:

I mean, I would use some different language perhaps. It’s offbeat, that’s for sure. Yeah, I mean, he does seem to be forced to reveal. It’s not a family secret. He’s the only one who’s keeping a secret.

Ian:

It’s not like his family has murdered somebody and in the backyard or something.

Erika:

No, they’re all out there living their lives. He’s the only one with the problem.

Ian:

He’s the only one with the problem in the whole movie, pretty much. Well, any big problems anyway.

Jeff:

Yeah, I was going to say there are some others.

Ian:

I mean, that’s the main story, but then there’s Rolfe,

Jeff:

Right, which is the biggest part

Ian:

Of the fact, right? He’s not even technically part of that slot synopsis. Right.

Jeff:

So what probably makes this movie the most significant is the amount of star power in this film. There are so many names. This is probably the biggest cast we’ve ever covered in this podcast. Right off the rip, in the lead role of Rolfe, we have Gary Oldman,

Ian:

Rolfe…Bedalia…

Jeff:

And Rolfe is a little person. Gary Oldman is not, and so he plays much of the film on his knees mostly and a lot of shots from the waist up. Gary Oldman is twins with Matthew McConaughey. This is Steven Medallia who is not a little person and not the same age as Gary Oldman.

Carol Bedalia (Beckinsale):

So are you and Steven Blood Brothers?

Rolfe (Oldman):

Yeah, you could say that we’re twins.

Carol Bedalia (Beckinsale):

Wow. God, I can’t believe that.

Jeff:

I know that might be confusing to everyone, but it is a thing. We then have Kate Beck as Steven’s wife Carol now Kate Beck sale. This is like Prime Kate Beck. This is arguably right when her career is about to peak. We’re talking like Underworld, Kate Beckinsale. She is in this film. She agreed to do this film for the SAG minimum payment on one condition, which is that she was allowed to wear her lucky hat during the filming, and that’s going to play a role in this film. I know you are wondering what that means and it’s not what you think. And last, but certainly not least, we have Peter Dinklage. Yes. That Peter Dinklage. In a movie that stars a person that is not a little person. They also cast an amazing actor who is a little person in a side character role, and I imagine if you were to tell me that Matthew McConaughey and Peter Danko are twins, I would actually probably buy that.

Ian:

That’s plausible, right? Yeah.

Erika:

They have got to be closer in age.

Ian:

They’re born in the exact same year. They’re both born in 1969. They’re, in real life, they are months apart, and they’re like, let’s get Gary Oman. Let’s just make him do it.

Jeff:

It was right there, and they chose against it. Do you guys have any thoughts on the casting of this film other than the obvious?

Ian:

Well, there’s also, I don’t think you mentioned Patricia Arquette.

Jeff:

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Ian:

Other very famous acts who he plays dink’s love interest. I don’t know. What’s more offensive is Gary Oldman on his knees as Dorf or Peter Dinklage’s French accent. I’m not sure which one. It would be more upsetting to more people

Jeff:

And Patricia Arquette with Cornrows. Dreadlocks?

Ian:

Yep.

Erika:

And eventually Peter Dinklage

Ian:

With cornrows. Yes, later on decide to get them as well. Yeah.

Jeff:

Yeah. I will say they did absolutely foreshadow the coming crystal obsession, Crystal healing and things, in the Arquette character. I’ll give them that.

Ian:

Peter Dinklage is not only French, he is a French Marxist. He is in pain, he has constant pain, and that’s the whole, I think a more interesting movie would’ve just been Dinklage and Arquette on the road, their story, just them. That would be a more interesting story, I think, than

Jeff:

A hundred percent agree.

Ian:

…the tiptoe situation.

Jeff:

Well, okay, so let’s head into our second story about this film, which I think is really important for us to get a sense of what this is, which is the story of how this film got made and the story of how this film subsequently got buried. So the film was written and directed by a man by the name of Matthew Bright. You will notice that the writer of the film is not Matthew Bright. That is because Matthew Bright had his name changed eventually to the name Bill Wiener as the writer of the film. However, because of Guild Rules, he was not able to remove his name from the director slot. Now, Matt Bright was predominantly a writer of indie films before this and was a bit of an up and comer having movies like The Forbidden Zone, Shrunken Heads, and most famously Freeway 1 and 2,

Ian:

Right? Yes. So Freeway was 1996. It was Keifer Sutherland and Reese Witherspoon, and it’s sort of a modern retelling of the Little Red Riding Hood story. It became sort of a cult favorite on VHS, and I remember watching it back in the nineties. It was sort of very fast paced, very sort of think hacker style editing type of movie. I saw Freeway one. I never saw Freeway two though. Okay, so it was Freeway two subtitle, confessions of a Trick Baby. And so instead of a modern retelling of the Little Red Riding Hood story, freeway two is a modern retelling of the Hansel and Gretel story

Right on the freeway. We’ll just keep going on the freeway. If you’ll just indulge me, it’ll take me 20 seconds. I’m just going to read you a description of the story of the plot line of freeway, two Confessions of a Trick Baby in this modern update of the Hansel and Gretel fairytale, actually more like Gretel and Gretel. 15-year-old Crystal is a bulimic delinquent. That’s the Natasha Leone who makes her living by beating and robbing potential tricks while awaiting a 25 year prison term. Crystal hooks up with a psychotic young lesbian named Cyclona doing time for slaughtering her entire family after escaping, they head for Mexico, where Cyclona Savior Sister Gomez lives in a confectionery, a confectionary full of children. Along the way, they leave a trail of crack rocks, binging and purging and dead people.

Erika:

What are the chances that Patricia Arquette’s character came from that film?

Ian:

She somehow lived in that world.

Erika:

She just walked off that bus onto the freeway, onto the bike, straight out of that world.

Ian:

I like that. It’s the Matt Brightverse.

Jeff:

Oh God,

Ian:

It’s all the same world.

Jeff:

This is actually really good preliminary information because I think it gives us a bit of a puzzle piece in trying to understand how the heck this movie happened, and one of those puzzle pieces is that at the time, so late nineties, Matthew Bright was seen as both an up and comer, but also someone that was willing to push boundaries. His films were seen as being movies that would say things that others weren’t necessarily brave enough to say or to engage with. That was an important part, I think, of how this script eventually was accepted. Now, it should be noted that in interviews, Matt Bright has stated that he originally wrote the script for tiptoes when he was 18 years old. In that original script, he had designed it to be a sex comedy with little people. The idea was it would be a movie about little people and they would all be having sex with each other. That was kind of the original conceit of tiptoes in the mind of 18-year-old Matthew Bright.

Ian:

Now, I wonder, was it still called Tiptoe or Tiny Tiptoes

Jeff:

That I have no idea.

Nor is there any clarity as to why the movie changed from a century like American Pie with little people and turned into this semi political, semi educational, extremely confusing romcom that we eventually got. Now the movie got picked up and got pushed forward, and people started to sign on relatively quickly. Producer Chris Hanley had told Yahoo Movies famously quote, it was really one of the first movies that approached the subject of little people in the story and one of the biggest movies that involved small actors that’s ever been made. Now that is an interesting comment. I mean, I didn’t realize that Tiptoes had come out before The Wizard of Oz, for example.

Erica, would you say any of that statement is accurate?

Erika:

I don’t know because I don’t know. So I was actually just observed in the film that there were so many little people, actors, and so the statement that it’s one of the first movies that involved small actors seems where are all these actors working, if not in other movies,

Jeff:

Right? Yeah, a lot of them were recognizable. There were little people, actors that I’ve seen in other movies

Ian:

Famously, the little woman who is in Total Recall in the Mutant Bar on Mars, she is a character in tiptoes. That’s someone a lot of people might recognize. So to talk about Wizard of Oz now, there was a movie made in 1981 called Under the Rainbow. It stars Chevy Chase and Carrie Fisher, and it’s about the production of Wizard of Oz. There were all these horrible Hollywood myths about how the little people who played the munchkins in Wizard of Oz in real life, they all stayed at a hotel together, and there’s all these horror stories about they would have giant parties and orgies and all this stuff, and they were just out of control, which all these bad stereotypes of just little people gone crazy. But I looked up, I was curious how many little people were cast in Wizard of Oz and I was dead. 124 with people were cast in Wizard of Oz and Under the Rainbow claims to have cast 150 little people. So it could be this little known Chevy taste Goofy from the early eighties, I think has the most, or the record for the most little people actually cast in a Hollywood movie. No one’s ever seen it. No one’s heard about it. So that doesn’t really help the case, but I think technically it has the title.

Jeff:

Yeah, I don’t think there were more than 150 little people in this film. I feel like probably under a hundred…

Ian:

The party scene is the only one where there’s a large number of little people altogether.

Jeff:

Another important part of this film is that it had a significant funder and that significant funder, hilariously was a man by the name of John Langley, who maybe you have not heard of, but you’ve probably heard of his show, which is Cops. Yes, the TV show Cops. Do we want to move forward on this?

Ian:

Well, I just wanted to mention that the reason that Matthew Bright knew John Langley is that he was his mother’s boyfriend’s neighbor.

Jeff:

Now, Erica, if your neighbor knocked on your door and said, I got this great idea, it’s going to be a sex comedy. It’s little people. Will you fund it? What would your answer be?

Erika:

My answer would be, let’s get the GoFundMe going.

Jeff:

This thing’s going to be huge. It’s going to win so many Oscars.

Ian:

Well, part of that hypothetical question would’ve had to been, and also dp you produce the show Cops?

Jeff:

Right?

Ian:

If you produce the show cops and someone comes to your door, it might be a little different,

Jeff:

And the answer was yes.

Erika:

In that case, the answer would be, do I have the demographic for you?

Ian:

Right?

Jeff:

Yeah. You know what? I suppose if you look at it from that perspective, from the perspective of someone who’s made all of their money doing essentially like freak shows, criminal freak shows with cops, maybe I understand now why he didn’t even think twice about this.

Ian:

John Langley said, as long as the theme to the movie is “Tiptoes, Tiptoes, whatcha gonna do?”

Jeff:

We got to have a rap scene in this film!

Ian:

We have to have a variation of the song “Bad Boys” or else I’m Not In.

Jeff:

Now Langley plays an important part in this movie. Number one, there was a dispute on set because John Langley’s wife allegedly did not want Kate Beckett sale wearing this silly hat was demanding that she remove her hat. There was apparently a fight over that, but a more significant fight breaks out after the film is completed. It’s at this point where there is a rupture in the film in which Matthew Bright refuses to work with the movie editor that was hired by Langley. Now eventually the edits will go on without Matthew Bright turning the film into a 90 minute rom-com, which Matthew Bright says is not his original intention was not his vision. This fight then boils over in a semi-famous, urban, legendary kind of way in which the film was premiered at Sundance, and it’s here that Matthew Bright would take the stage and go on a bit of a tirade about Langley allegedly verbally attacking Langley, and then allegedly was forcibly removed from the stage by people that work for Sundance. The movie Festival Bright, however, says that this was not true, that he was not removed from the stage forcibly.

Ian:

I’m guessing that story is a bit of both. Maybe somebody sort of pulled him off the stage and he wouldn’t describe that as being forcibly removed. I’m guessing he did it. He seems like this type of person probably who did it. But…

Jeff:

Yeah, and I think that probably contributing to that is the fact that after this film, Matthew Bright, basically this was the end of his career in Hollywood. Matthew Bright, I believe, has said publicly that he feels that he’s been blacklisted, but he hasn’t gone on to do much else after this. This was kind of the beginning of the end, which is funny because for those of you who have not watched the trailer go and watch the trailer, because this was a movie that I think people clearly believed that this was going to win a ton of Oscars, like the most Oscars. Gary is literally described as this being a role of a lifetime. Everyone believed this, it was going to be a hit. It gets shown at Sundance. The director is yelling about it, and the thing can, it’s just it tanks. The movie does not do well at all.

Erika:

Was the director’s cut shown at Sundance or the edited version?

Jeff:

Only the edited version. So this is the other wrinkle. You are not able to access the director’s cut anywhere. However, there is rumor that Matthew Bright has a director’s cut, would like to release it if a fan movement could start, which that’s just never going to happen, just never. But allegedly, he has sent a copy of the director’s cut to the director of the film Drive who apparently really enjoyed it. So the other thing that we should talk about behind this film before we get into reviews is that a lot of people trying to be generous to this film often will refer to the incredible special effects that allowed for this film to present allegedly, and I’m put in a lot of weight on the word allegedly to produce a realistic image of a little person out of the body of Gary Oldman.

Ian:

Oh boy.

Jeff:

I would love to hear both of your opinions on whether or not you thought the special effects, which I will note…this is early 2000s. We’re not talking pre-CGI 2000s. Were the special effects “incredible” in your opinion?

Ian:

Well, I thought they were incredible. Not that they were good, but incredible that everyone in the crew and everyone on the set was like, yep, that’s good. Let’s just stick Gary Oman in a couch and have some little legs popping out from beside his torso. And yeah,

Erika:

I would say if by incredible you mean not believable. Yes, yes. Incredible. Truly

Ian:

Non-credible effect.

Jeff:

So famously, Gary Oldman is not just on his knees, he also is wearing a prosthetic hump. He is apparently wearing prosthetic makeup on his face, and his arms have been tied behind his back to shorten or make the appearance of his arms being shorter than they actually are, which again, when I rewatched the film with that knowledge, his movements made so much worse sense

Erika:

Watching him without that knowledge, his movements made very little sense.

Jeff:

So we have our own opinions of this film, obviously, and we are probably actually kind of aligned with the critical response on this film. So let’s hear what’s a critical response? Well, as you can imagine right now on Rotten Tomatoes, this film holds a 20%, which is 19% higher than I thought it would be.

Ian:

Two

Jeff:

Roger Moore, probably not the one you’re thinking, Roger Moore famously has written, giving it a one out of five, and said quote “still like road accidents and the films of Uwe Boll, it’s worth a glance as evidence of how a whole lot of people, many of them agents whom one suspects must have been fired after this can get anything so terribly wrong.

Ian:

Most fascinating about this movie is that everyone involved had established Hollywood careers and everybody was like, yeah, this is a good idea. Guys,

Jeff:

The sense of GED is that this is a great example of follower syndrome within Hollywood where once they got the first bit of actor, which I don’t know this to be the case, but I wonder if it was Kate Beckinsale given this whole lucky hat situation. My guess is that it’s like Kate Beckinsale was in, and then McConaughey is like, well, if Beckett Sales is in, then I’m in. And then Gary Oldman is like, well, if McConaughey is in, I’m in.

Ian:

See, I’m wondering if Gary Oldman was like, I’ll only be in it if I can play a little person. I think because he is an actor taking, he likes to take chances or whatever. Maybe this information is out there somewhere. But I have a feeling Gary Open was like, I’ll do it as long as I can be a little person and I have a wear a harness and a hump, and I’m on my knees, and they’re like, okay, you’re a big actor, and that would be interesting, I guess. I don’t know.

Jeff:

There definitely is. There’s an Oscar bait vibe throughout this. I’m feeling this is like Gary Oldman was trying to do My Left Foot, what was happening here, I think, or Lieutenant Dan maybe from Forrest Gump, I think going on here where it’s like, oh, we’ll use the movie Magic to make me into this disabled character and I will touch an authentic piece of the human experience and I’ll make people feel things through Rolfe.

So that’s what the film critics say, but of course, film critics are garbage. The real reviews come to us from user generated content on the internet. So I got a couple here that I want to share with you, get your sense on it. This one comes from Google Reviews. This is from LMT (Common Core Diva). They gave it a two out of five, generous, and they said Matthew McConaughey was an absolute jerk in this movie. I kept watching waiting for the funny parts. After all, Amazon Prime build it as joyful never happened by far and away, Gary Old space Man pulled off a great role. My whole beef is that Hollywood picked yet another way to make special needs children out to be beyond a parent’s ability. This is hardly what I would call a comedy a tragedy. Maybe.

Ian:

That’s a weird review. I mean, it sounds like they didn’t like it at all, but still two out of five. Why not? There’s one out of five at that point. I dunno.

Jeff:

Well, for Gary Old Man pulling off a great role…

Ian:

Gary, Old, Man.

Jeff:

Erica, can you help us understand what do you think they mean by Hollywood 50 at another way to make special needs children out to be beyond a parent’s ability?

Erika:

I mean, that was certainly a dominant plot theme here that this, I mean, Matthew McConaughey, I really appreciate how this review just fully conflates Matthew McConaughey with the character. So Matthew McConaughey…this jerk, this ableist jerk. I mean that is his character’s kind of, is that his family being little people? Is this, I mean, he treats it as a shameful secret, but really when he finally puts it into words without the help of a therapist, because he refuses to see one, his true fear is about the pain and suffering that little people experience, which is represented in very minimal ways elsewhere in the film, except in his imagination, his hyper-masculine imagination.

Jeff:

Yeah. Actually, when I first started reading this, I was like, okay, and then by the end I was like, okay, I think common core diva kind of won me over a little bit.

Ian:

McConaughey does treat the whole thing. It’s like a curse basically, even though he sees his whole family having a great time and they go to the wedding and they’re having fine lives, and you would think also if their child was a little person, what better family for that little person to be a part of than the one where it’s like Matthew McConaughey is the only non little person in it. It’s very odd. He be like, oh, okay. I mean, if they a little person, at least they have this giant family and community of little people that I’m a part of and stuff. Was it their cousin is the leader of the Justice League for little people or something like that? Yeah, I think this kid would’ve been okay with all that support around them. But anyway, he’s just a jerk. Matthew McConaughey is a jerk.

Erika:

What a jerk. Absolute jerk.

Jeff:

He does full blown launches cell phone into the night at one point in a fit of rage for similarly, no reason, but

Erika:

Moments before he invites two young women to join him at a party that he wouldn’t have taken his fiance to.

Jeff:

We have another review from IMDB, this one by Fedor8, which I hope is Fedora enthusiast. The title is, Whoever Dreamt Up This Nonsense Needs Our Help. (I agree.) Certainly one of the most idiotic films ever made a PC message movie that ends up making fun of midgets a dialogue. The situation, the acting, especially back in sale, all move constantly, somewhere between ludicrous and bizarre, sometimes unintentionally funny, not funny when it meant to be, and sometimes just appallingly dumb and even disgusting, like the Marxist dwarf wrenching with Arquette. Yuck.

Erika:

Okay. I feel like this reviewer’s actual beef is just that the movie was attempting to be PC because they clearly are not.

Ian:

They’re dropping the M word, just to make that point clear.

Jeff:

Yes. Yeah. The movie very clearly tells us not to use that phrase, and then he very clearly does. Yep.

Ian:

When he said, what did you say? Wrenching.

Jeff:

Wrenching,

Ian:

Is that a term for coitus?

Jeff:

Believe so.

Erika:

It’s a regional thing. Yeah.

Jeff:

It’s an upper Midwest

Ian:

Pittsburgh because of the steel town they’re wrenching.

Jeff:

I don’t want to tell on myself a little bit here, but I’m going to Peter Dinklage was a snack in this movie. I mean, the accent was terrible, but the hair, the handlebar mustache, he was ripped.

Erika:

The painted nails.

Jeff:

The painted nails. Peter Dinklage, I would say was not disgusting or yuck in this film. Maybe a little greasy, but I would say he was bringing it in this film,

Ian:

And again, that would’ve made more sense for him to be Matthew McConaughey’s brother, the two handsome dudes. It just made, anyway, I was thinking, make him either French or a Marxist. Don’t make him a French Marxist. It’s one too many things

Jeff:

And misogynist, they add that later. That is a stone cold misogynist at the end of the film,

Ian:

Too, right? Yeah. That whole relationship goes absolutely nowhere. It’s completely pointless. But I would still rather watch a movie about those two, like a road trip movie about they should do a sequel, like a soft sequel to this movie with Dinklage and Arquette meeting up again, and

Erika:

They could call it Freeway 3. Yeah.

Ian:

Oh, I like it. I mean, Matthew Bright, if you’re listening,

Jeff:

Make this movie. I did not make the movie Cops, but I will fund Freeway 3 with Patricia Arquette and Peter Dinklage. Our last review comes to us from Joe Masca with the title, just a bad movie, giving This a three out of 10. Again, generous. Joe Masca says, tiptoes is dealing with serious themes using a combination of romantic comedy and melodrama tools, life of dwarves, their relationships with big people, human value behind appearance, prejudice, and pride. All of those are serious subjects, but they get no more than a schematic treatment in tiptoes.

Erika:

Was this written for a first year of film school?

Jeff:

Honestly, it’s either that or it’s chatGPT is now put in reviews on the internet by itself.

Ian:

The prejudice and pride thing is very weird because did they just write it like that so it didn’t sound like the novel?

Jeff:

Right. They were like, we better flip that.

Ian:

Nobody will notice if we say prejudice and pride.

Jeff:

Yeah. I love the concept of life, of dwarves relationship with big people.

Ian:

I dunno for sure. I’m guessing that’s not what little people call regular sized people is the big people.

Jeff:

I hope it is. Erica, what did you learn about their relationship with the big people in this film?

Erika:

Big people are the problem.

Jeff:

Well, one is, yeah.

Erika:

I mean, strangely enough. One was, and then one was trying to redeem one, and then she wasn’t anymore. So it’s just a whole complex, big people melodrama that’s really making life difficult for the rest of us.

Jeff:

Big people were the most volatile in this film, by far.

Ian:

Well, there were some volatile little people at the party, in the party scene, I think as Maurice got a little volatile there,

Jeff:

Right? A little bit.

Ian:

A little bit. The French Marxist, if you don’t remember what he was, he was a French Marist. Marist, yeah. Yeah.

Erika:

It’s because he was bringing the big people energy.

Jeff:

Right. Marx was a big person, as we all

Ian:

Know. Well done the big beard person too. He was, I think, big beard.

Jeff:

Yeah. Yeah. So those are the opinions of the internet. I’d like to hear just sort of some general impressions. Erica, what are your thoughts on the film?

Erika:

I mean, it is not terribly enjoyable to watch. I’ve had worse, I would not voluntarily watch it again, but on second watch, I did think that if you can look past all of the ridiculousness, the fact that a woman gets pregnant, has a baby, gets married, leaves her husband and her roots never grow out, although I do now understand why she was wearing that ridiculous hat. If you can look past those things, the special effects and whatnot, I think there are some redeeming narratives below the surface.

Jeff:

Ian,

Ian:

I think it is more of, like I said, an interesting sort of fascinating movie than it is a movie that you’d want to watch ever more than once ever. It’s not like, again, there are bad movies where there’s, there’s boom mics in the sided, or it’s just badly edited or the sound is bad or something like that. There’s that type of bad, this movie’s well made. For the most part, it’s edited. Well, that kind of stuff is done okay, but it’s just fascinating that, like I said, everyone involved from beginning to end. The fact that it got finished is sort of very interesting. I find that sort of thing fascinating. And then it went like what? 2003? 2003. I found out about it in about 10 or 11 years ago, about 2013. That’s about, I think when I showed you the trailer, I’m pretty sure I showed you the trailer right after I saw the trailer. So we found out about it around the same time. Nobody talked about it for 10 years. So somehow they were able to hide this movie with all these huge stars in it. Most fascinating that these giant stars were in it and that Gary Oman was walking around on his knees like Dorf golf. It is worth watching for the oddity of it all. That’s about it, I’d say.

Jeff:

So you brought me to my conspiracy theory when you asked this about how do they keep this under wraps, and my conspiracy theory is that the reason I could never find copies of this thing for reasonable prices is because Gary Oldman is literally buying every DVD and destroying it.

That is my theory, but it should be noted. I will say, for those of you who don’t know, this film was included in a mail out in Britain, so there was a newspaper in Britain that there was one edition of the newspaper. The newspaper had a different movie every week, and one of the movies that was in the package was tiptoes. So it was shelled off to this newspaper at one point as a promotional giveaway, which is kind of counter to my conspiracy theory that they were literally trying to Nintendo, what was that game? Nintendo do this game or Atari?

Ian:

Atari, yeah, the famously bad ET Atari game,

Jeff:

Which they’ve literally buried in a desert. So there were actually a bunch of copies of this movie, which you can find in Britain. They’re everywhere. I think they use them as coasters in Britain, actually, predominantly. So now there is so much more for us to discuss, but that is the end of this episode of this week. We have a lot more, so if you haven’t watched Tiptoes yet, why don’t you take a second, find one of those coasters in Britain, pop it in your DVD player, take a little look, and we will see you back next week where we will get into the analysis of tiptoes. See you on the other side.

[Outro punk song, “Arguing with Strangers on the Internet” by Mvll Crimes]

I’m arguing with strangers on the internet. Everyone is wrong, I just haven’t told them yet.

Transcript – Part 2

Voice Over:

A walk down the aisle

Rolfe (Oldman):

Steven, he’s a very lucky guy. I just hope he’s smart enough not to screw it up

Voice Over:

Is just a beginning.

Sally (Powers):

They’ll be rough patches. There’s no doubt about it.

Voice Over:

Canal Pictures and Langley Productions proudly present command performances from Kate Beckinsale, Matthew McConaughey, Patricia Arquette, and in the role of a lifetime, Gary Oldman.

[Music intro, “Arguing With Strangers on the Internet” by Mvll Crimes]:

I’m arguing with strangers on the internet not going out today because I’m feeling too upset, argue with strangers on the internet, and I’m winning. I’m winning!!

Jeff:

Welcome back to another week of invalid culture. We are back for part two of tiptoes because one was not enough. As always, I am your host, Jeff, and I am joined again by beloved host. Erika. How are you doing, Erika?

Erika:

Glad to be back.

Jeff:

Oh, that’s good. I’m glad that you’ve accepted the request and we are also joined by special guest Ian. Ian, you survived. How are things?

Ian:

Good. Good. Yeah. I’m also glad to be back. This is fun.

Jeff:

Yeah. Okay, well, without further ado…I’m sorry. Can we please talk about this film? So our movie begins with the introduction of Steven, who is played by Matthew McConaughey. He is a firefighter instructor who is getting into a serious relationship with his bizarrely dressed girlfriend Carol played by Beckinsale. As discussions of starting a family begin, Steven invites Carol into his little family secret. His entire family consists of little people except for him. He actually has a twin brother, Rolfe, who is totally not 11 years older than him and is gainfully employed as a journalist. Steve has been going to annual little people conventions without Carol knowing has hidden his family forever from her. Carol struggles a little bit with the news, but decides to go ahead with the relationship because, well, only Steven seems to have a problem with the fact that his family are little people.

Erika:

May I point out that she is already pregnant when she learns this? This is the reason this seems to be actually the source of the bulk of their relationship tension, is that Steven is deeply unsure about bringing a child into the world, but has not yet revealed to her the reasons for this concern, which is that based on his lived experience with his family, who by all appearances seem to live fabulous lives, he’s deeply concerned that this child will have a horrific life.

Jeff:

Yeah, it actually does come up. In one of their discussions, he’s saying that, oh, they’re going to need all these surgeries, and she asks, did your brother need these surgeries? And he says, thankfully, no. So it actually didn’t even necessarily reflect his own…

Erika:

Family experience, which then I believe the follow-up question is, oh, was he bullied? And he’s like, no, actually he was way cooler than I was in school.

Jeff:

Yeah, he was a stud. He was a stud in school, which of course, it’s a very Oldman.

Ian:

A lot of contradictions there. We have to at least briefly address, we talked about her lucky hat, but Kate Beck in sales wardrobe in this movie, it is a whole other movie by itself. They were very aware that they were in the two thousands and they were a few years in and they’re like, let’s just, even though this is more nineties than two thousands, she looks like she dressed as a different spice girl in every scene she’s in. I think that’s the best way to describe it, is just it’s a lot of hats, a lot of…

Erika:

Oh, we got chokers, we have got millimeters above the butt crack, low-rise pants.

Ian:

The whale tail, I think is involved at one point.

Jeff:

Yeah, there’s bows. Her hair is also different, and the hair budget for this film must have been out of control. Very elaborate hairstyles only on Kate Beckinsale. Matthew McConaughey, Gary Oldman, have the exact same hair for the entire film.

Erika:

Don’t forget…

Ian:

The cornrows.

Jeff:

Yeah. Oh and the cornrows. That also would probably have cost a bit of money unless she just caved that way. It’s possible that Patricia, that was just her hair at the time, possibly

Ian:

Beckinsale gets her special hat and Arquette gets her special cornrows or else they’re out.

Jeff:

That’s the deal.

Ian:

Since she’s an artist, I don’t think we talked to, they live in a big loft in la, downtown la. I’m guessing somehow they make enough money to have live in a giant loft as an artist, a sculpture. I don’t know. Painter’s. A painter. Painter, and a guy who teaches firefighting, which is also a weird thing. Why not just make him a firefighter

Jeff:

And a former Navy man? He was in the military beforehand, apparently.